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You're plan to eliminate all homophobia.

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Disclaimer : Regardless of the setup for voting win or lose, The aim of this interaction, Is for those that view it, Learn and or take away anything that will amount to any constructive value ultimately. So that counts as anything that'll cause one to reconsider an idea, Understand a subject better, Help build a greater wealth of knowledge getting closer to truth. When either of us has accomplished that with any individual here, That's who the victor of the debate becomes.

Homophobia as I use the term describes those who disagree and are against homosexuality, homosexual relationships, homosexual activity 100%.

I take the position in skepticism that you have a plot to change the minds of all those who disagree.

You would have to outline a detailed but straightforward, precise and basic premise that would make it impossible for anyone to be opposed.

There would have to be reason , universally like there is to be for heterosexuality. A strong enough reason for any person in current times of the world to no longer have an opposition.

It is a challenge because everyone has their thought process, subjective reasoning and opinion. To come up with a premise that's objective, that hits everybody, well that's what makes it a challenge in spite of the reactions from the echo chambers.

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Round 1
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Mall
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#1
Homophobia as I use the term describes those who disagree and are against homosexuality, homosexual relationships, homosexual activity 100%.
I take the position in skepticism that you have a plot to change the minds of all those who disagree.
You would have to outline a detailed but straightforward, precise and basic premise that would make it impossible for anyone to be opposed.
There would have to be reason , universally like there is to be for heterosexuality. A strong enough reason for any person in current times of the world to no longer have an opposition.
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Best.Korea
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#2
I am against all homosexuality.

But if I were to support it, I would have changed minds of everyone so that everyone is a homosexual.

It can be done through vaccines.
Round 2
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Mall
Con
#3
What is the vaccine and how can it be done through that?.
You have a whole lot more elaborating to do.
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Best.Korea
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#4
A vaccine that changes sexual attraction. For example, if someone gets an injection of it, in two to three months he starts having sexual desires towards own sex. Its disgusting. But it can be done.

I am not gonna lay out detailed plans.

But my basic reasoning is: if everyone becomes a homosexual, there wont be any homophobia anymore among people.

Maybe mass brain surgeries? 

Here is another plan. You can kill everyone who is not a homosexual, so that only homosexuals remain.

God will still hate them, but among humans there wont be any homophobes.
Round 3
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#5
"For example, if someone gets an injection of it, in two to three months he starts having sexual desires towards own sex. Its disgusting. But it can be done."

What's the name of this vaccine?

Where is it supplied?

Why would anyone take it?

You have to outline a plan that would make it impossible for anyone to be opposed.

If people have a choice, it's not making it an impossibility. Do you understand?

"I am not gonna lay out detailed plans."

Then you forfeit this debate. The description specifically states what you are to do for this challenge.

You throwing out a vague unproven method won't do it.

Reread this from the description.

"You would have to outline a detailed but straightforward, precise and basic premise that would make it impossible for anyone to be opposed."

"But my basic reasoning is: if everyone becomes a homosexual, there wont be any homophobia anymore among people."

You have to eliminate that "if" part. If you can't, just concede that.

"Maybe mass brain surgeries? "

You have to get rid of the "maybe" stuff.

Are you on here to guess or do you actually have a surefire plan?

"Here is another plan. You can kill everyone who is not a homosexual, so that only homosexuals remain."

This is just throwing stuff to the wall to see if it sticks. Not to mention not adhering to this challenge.

The challenge again is about anyone. If you have to kill some people, clearly you're not having anybody not to have homophobia that has it.

Furthermore , homosexuals don't have homophobia I don't think. So therefore you're not changing those that oppose to not opposing which is the challenge here.

It's like half stepping or doing half push ups when the challenge was doing full push ups.

"but among humans there wont be any homophobes."

But was there homophobia to start with it?

Your points are waffling not sticking to a sure foundation.

Take the time to give this more thought.

In as far as the vaccine, does something like that exist?

If it doesn't, throw it out. This isn't a challenge for hypothetical elements but for the current times of the world.

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#6
I was just giving suggestions. I dont have detailed plan. 

My basic premises:

Homosexuals are not homophobes.

Killing someone who opposes homosexuality would mean that he will change his mind and not oppose anymore.

Killing everyone who is not a homosexual would mean that only homosexuals will remain and that there will be no homophobes.

How can it be done? Gays could seize control of nuclear weapons. Then gays could gather at one spot, and use nukes on everywhere except the place where they are.

There is another way.
We could destroy the entire world with nukes and just kill everyone. So there will be no one left alive. So there wont be any homophobes in the world. Everyone will be dead. So literally everyone will think differently.
Round 4
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#7
Well to not go in circles on this , I won't reiterate in lieu of refuting as expected.

Making suggestions that don't affirm impossible outcomes is pushing the challenge aside.

What appears to be a hypothetical vaccine is not the challenge.

Maybe for future times because that is what hypothesizing can amount.

According to the description of the challenge there would have to be reason , universally like there is to be for heterosexuality. A strong enough reason for any person in current times of the world to no longer have an opposition.

So people that are for heterosexuality, you were to outline anybody that was not for homosexuality to be for it.

You can't be for it while dead. You can't be for it brain dead, when the brain is dead.

So a made up vaccine is out. Changing those that are homophobic to homophobic free is in. Killing people is not changing people when the change is being asked for while they go on living.
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#8
Thank you for this debate. Thank you for your time.