Instigator / Pro
7
1516
rating
3
debates
100.0%
won
Topic
#3934

Islam Does (Not) Encourage Authoritarianism

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
3
0
Better sources
2
2
Better legibility
1
1
Better conduct
1
0

After 1 vote and with 4 points ahead, the winner is...

Yassine
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
4
Time for argument
Two weeks
Max argument characters
20,000
Voting period
One month
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
3
1309
rating
269
debates
40.71%
won
Description

Thank you for accepting my challenge @Best.Korea.

FULL RESOLUTION
Mainstream Islam Does Not Encourage Political Authoritarianism

TERMINOLOGY
Mainstream Islam: traditional mainstream Sunni Islam according to the traditional legal, theological & mystic Islamic schools of thought. Namely, the Four Madhhabs of law & the Ash'ari/Maturidi creed.
Encourage: to help or stimulate something to develop.
Authoritarianism: a system of government centered on the strict subjection of citizens to the authority of the state.

STRUCTURE
Round 1: opening arguments.
Round 2-3: arguments & rebuttals.
Round 4: closing round, no new arguments.

RULES
Shared BOP.
No forfeit.
No disrespect.
No kritiks.
No shotgun argumentation.
Debate structure to be observed.
Citations to be quoted in the text of the debate.
Sources to be reliable.
Translations (of original text) to be adequate.

Good luck.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

I vote Pro.

First, the conduct point. Usually, I don't do anything but convincing arguments because I feel those shouldn't be measured except through the debate itself (I'll get more in on that on the notes), however, Con using slurs like "retarded" and calling all Muslims liars and "retarded" is egregious. Don't do that.

Second, the Pro case is completely dropped. The only part that is contested is the definition of authoritarianism and Pro didn't answer it, however, Con didn't utilize their won definition despite the fact they had a really good setup. Con said subjection to power doesn't require enforcement. This means that any state where people follow the law is authoritarian, however, there is no weighing this against the first definition and Pro extends theirs in the final speech, so I feel comfortable giving the definition debate to Pro by the smallest margin.

Third, on Con's case, I buy three arguments that work to prove these aren't true.
1. The historical example of Islam allowing disrespect in courts shows that modern authoritarianism in Saudi Arabia isn't unique to Islam.
2. Moses' condemnation of the killing of the boy proves this act wasn't justified.
3. All states engage in the exclusion of "the other", so this is not authoritarian.
The only argument Con is close to winning is that expression of disbelief is punished, even if it is blasphemy, but Pro extends the third argument I mentioned, showing how Western nations do this by not allowing Holocaust denial, communism, or hate speech.

Notes for Pro
1. I don't know how prevalent this is on the website, but personally, I support "theory arguments" or arguments about why the opponent should lose the round for in-round unfairness or abuse. Verbal attacks against Islam such as calling them "retarded" or liars cause them to leave the site or not express their faith in good-faith (pun not intended) debate. this makes the site useless as an educational and fun tool, as well as harmful to individuals. If you lay that all out in a speech, I feel confident saying that that is an argument and giving you the primary win on that point.
2. Don't drop the definition debate, because if Con had gone for it and said any state that doesn't have majority dissent is authoritarian, you would have lost. That's not the "true" definition, but I'll buy a blatant lie if the other person doesn't answer it.
3. How you extended the Pro case in the final round, do that every round. Judges who don't care won't be upset you did it and will just take it as "won" without reading it, while judges who do care (like me), won't have to count it as "dropped", which could cost you the debate in a much closer round.

Notes for Con
1. Don't be offensive. It's not strategic and is mean. Like, come on, if you think other ideas aren't worth engaging with, go to a circle-jerk 4chan or Reddit thread, not a place where people want to engage in conversation.
2. You could've won the definition debate on Pro's case and won the round. Whenever you make an argument, it should be strategic and have a winning strategy attached to it that you can go for.
3. You have to make arguments on Pro's case proper. Even if I gave you all your arguments about how much Islam kills people outside of the religion, BOP is on both sides, meaning I weigh that against Pro's case, not in a vacuum. Going through each of the six rights and finding Quran examples where it's disproved or challenging the assumption that it is a liberty, for example, "Right to property is authoritarian because it concentrates wealth".

As always, good job to both sides, and if yall have any questions, feel free to shoot me a question, comment, or message!