There is proof that the God of the Bible is real.
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As Pro, I must meet two requirements.:
1. Prove God exists.
2. Prove the Bible is true.
Will you accept my challenge? Can you defeat me as Con?
Good luck! :)
- Does my opponent have an example of a “meticulously developed design” (sans human involvement).
- Are there blueprints?
- How does one determine what is outside of the universe?
MotionThis argument is self-defeating: Presumably, God would need to move meaning he would be subject to the conditions of the argument. Any exceptions made for God would be applicable to everything. This removes the need for God as a solution.2. First CauseThis too is self-defeating as it uses the same reasoning as the First Way. If God exists, then he would be subject to the conditions of the argument and, being part of “everything”, would need a cause.3. Necessary BeingWe don’t know matter can be created or destroyed. However, in the history of observation it has not occurred. The First Law of Thermodynamics is built on this. [1] Pro will need to show that matter can be created or destroyed before we need to discuss what/who is necessary for it.4. GradationPro hasn’t summarized Aquinas’ forth way here. Aquinas’s argument has to do with our supposed need for an absolute ‘measuring stick’ to understand the value of attributes. This is something different and I have questions:
- Does my opponent have an example of a “meticulously developed design” (sans human involvement).
- Are there blueprints?
- How does one determine what is outside of the universe?
5. DesignAs someone who does not subscribe to the worldview St. Aquinas did, I do not start with a belief that everything has a specific purpose. This points to a problem with the argument. If one must start with a particular belief for the argument to make sense, it isn’t meant for non-believers.
The God of the Bible is almighty and omnipotent. He is exempt from the Five Ways because he exists independently of creation.
It is true that these arguments can be used to justify the existence of any deity. However, the Bible is currently the only book on Earth that has demonstrated to be accurate, compared to the Quran, The Book of Mormon, and the Talmud.
We can also review the historical accounts of Jesus Christ.
So many people have testified to his existence and divinity and were killed. Would so many people be willing to go to their deaths for a mere mortal? It doesn't seem likely.
I vote Con, here's why:
1. I don't think the Bible is true because there is no true historical testament of Jesus.
2. Ways 1-3 are all universal rules, and so should apply to God. Them not applying to God means they are wrong.
3. Way 4 is disproven because there's no evidence of design.
4. Way 5 is disproven because things don't have a preconceived purpose.
In conclusion, since Pro doesn't prove the Bible or a single reason for God to exist, I have no reason to vote Pro.
Notes for Pro
1. You need to be present in the debate.
2. Maybe look at Kirkeegard or other philosophers who say reason isn't a way you can evaluate God.
Notes for Con
I feel bad because I don't really have any. You did good.
If yall have any questions, feel free to message, comment, or question me!
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Luminescent liquidations lacking logos.
Indelible independent individiuals introspect ineffable ideas.
Experience expounds exact expressions. Extrovert each example en extrapolation.
Justifiable juxtapostions jubilate judicants
Applicants affirm adjectives adverse and adamant.
I would take it if I were Con though.
The resolution has too high a level of certainty. Plus, I'd be conflicted advocating for something I feel to be the cause of much harm in the world.
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Hitler loved Thomas Aquinas. Saint Thomas Aquinas, the
most influential theologian in the history of the Catholic Church, argued
that it was morally justifiable for Jews to serve Christians as slaves because,
as the slayers of God, they were bound to "perpetual servitude.
Hitler exploited this legacy of hatred. But while showing continuity
with the past, Nazi anti-Semitism was different from its predecessors.
Here was not merely prejudice, persecution, and invective. Here, for the
first time, was a calculated program of mass murder set forth by the legal
government of Germany-a government unique in all history.
Well, there have always been proofs, regardless of how good they are at doing the job they are supposed to do.
Regardless.
Good luck, Sir.