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Topic
#4099

Essential mental health services should be free

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
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Better sources
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8
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After 4 votes and with 25 points ahead, the winner is...

Public-Choice
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Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
Two days
Max argument characters
5,000
Voting period
One week
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
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1589
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Description

I'm restarting this debate because it looked interesting, and the last instigator had to ditch the debate. I'll recycle some starting definitions from that discourse and modify some others.

mental health (noun): a person’s condition with regard to their psychological, emotional, and social well-being
services (noun): a) the work performed by one that serves, or c) contribution to the welfare of others -- the most useful M&W definitions for this context
free (adjective): not costing or charging anything
essential (adjective): of the utmost importance

A more contextually useful definition of essential health services might be: "health services that seek to treat a mental condition that dramatically reduces a patient's quality of life and/or services that are necessary to prevent that patient from experiencing a breakdown, or a period of self-harm or suicidality."

Feel free to amend that definition if you think you can make it more concise and workable.

In this context, free will specifically refer to the cost to the person receiving mental health services. The pro position is not arguing that mental health services should cost nothing to anybody.

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@Barney
@AustinL0926

Thanks guys!

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@Sir.Lancelot

If it was a full forfeiture I would have. I just don't know enough about boxing to be a good judge.

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@Public-Choice

Okay.
Could you vote on the Nicolino vs Floyd Mayweather debate too?

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@Wylted
@Barney
@whiteflame
@Sir.Lancelot
@AustinL0926

Full forfeiture. Please vote if able.

I tried to start a debate on this topic a month ago, but it fell apart. I'm interested to see how this one goes.

You asked if I think it's a truism. I would say no not a truism. The debate seems fair to me

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@dezled

I figured I should link you to this if you feel like I am full of shit.
https://www.mic.com/articles/85201/the-surprising-way-the-netherlands-is-helping-its-disabled-have-sex

For example you could say incels have a severe decline in mental health by not getting laid and now we are talking about a debate on whether the government should pay for prostitutes for incels.

It's that crazy either as some countries were recently debating helping handicapped people get laid with government subsidies for mental health reasons.

That is just one example of how it could go off course and then the debate is you defending subsidized blowjobs for autistic people. If that is what you want to debate, fine. I suspect you have a different way you envision the debate playing out though

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@dezled

severe decline would be what most of the semantics could come down to, based on what both parties mean by severe.

There isn't anything wrong with semantic debates and maybe your opponent won't care to debate semantics, but I could see it turning into that

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@PREZ-HILTON
@AustinL0926

Do you think it's necessarily a truism given the working definition of essential service I gave in the description? The debate is essentially "health care services that are necessary to prevent either death, crisis or a severe decline in quality of life as a result of a mental health issue should be free to the person receiving the care." I think you could argue either side of that.

Eh. Why not lol

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@AustinL0926

It doesn't have to be a kritik but most of these people will argue that way because they don't view anarchist arguments as tenable

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@Wylted

Agreed. Under common usage of "essential," this debate is a truism. I could Kritik it, but that would be pretty difficult with only 5000 chars.

This will likely devolve into a semantics debate about what qualifies as essential