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Biblically God created water and darkness.


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The burden of proof is on both sides. Pro must prove with Bible chapter and verse(s) that God created water, that God created darkness. The con side must prove with Bible book , chapter and verse(s) that God did not create water and darkness.

Both sides must be able to show and explain from the scripture their case. I make the statement "God created water and darkness" and I shall prove my statement with Bible and likewise to the opposing position.

The first round is ONLY allowed for the Pro side to explain from ONLY the scripture that God created water and darkness.

The first round is ONLY allowed for the con side to explain ONLY from the scripture that God did not create water and darkness. NO rebuttals or counter points are allowed IN THE FIRST ROUND.

These FIRST TWO TURNS only serve as opening statements.

The second round are for QUESTIONS ONLY. Just questions only from BOTH sides to the other . The Pro side will ask the other side questions regarding the scriptures and the case they're bringing . The con side can ONLY ask questions in the SECOND round like cross examination to expose flaws, inconsistencies regarding the first round statements. PLEASE DO NOT ADD SIDE REBUTTALS, COUNTER POINTS AND CONCLUSIONS. JUST STRICTLY QUESTIONS.

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The 4TH round will summarize with conclusions from each side with any applicable feedback overall from everything discussed.

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Round 1
Getting the book Isaiah 44:24,

"Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

Now from John 1:1-3,

" In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

We have a witness from John and Isaiah, God made all things.

I'll continue on to show the creation portfolio, water particularly.

Getting Revelation 14,

"6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters."

Psalms 95,

"3 For the Lord is a great God, and a great King above all gods.

4 In his hand are the deep places of the earth: the strength of the hills is his also.

5 The sea is his, and he made it: and his hands formed the dry land."

Moving on to the darkness as this is straightforward.

Going back to Isaiah chapter 45 now.

"5 I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.

7 I form the light, and create darkness"

That's really as cut and dry as that but a little bit more I love this.

Genesis 1

"4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."

I'll stop here. This doesn't warrant much explanation. These passages really establish everything. Although I have a hunch about a question the opposing side will raise.

I'll wait until the second round.

Round 2
Disappointing but not surprising. This site is dying.
Round 3
I rest my case.
Round 4