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#4195

Resolved: One should commit to a framework.

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After 2 votes and with 2 points ahead, the winner is...

AleutianTexan
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Description

I recommend you watch this 14-minute Youtube video. It's an art piece about this topic, but it does best explain what I mean when I say framework. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYhhUcYN4mw&ab_channel=jREG

One is to describe a hypothetical person.

Pro (me) will defend that committing to a framework is desirable. Con (you) can defend that frameworks are bad, or competitive advocacy, or a Kritik. Have fun with it.

Feel free to comment with questions for me to understand more if it's not clear. I will say that my recent debate with Lemming made me want to discuss this.

Aleutian should return.

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@AleutianTexan

Correct.

Me forfeiting one round doesn't mean anything if they forfeited one round as well, right?

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@Intelligence_06

Formal topics are vague enough to allow multiple plans. Even so, I'm ok with vagueness that allows a framework for what the round should be to be best defined within the round.

@Frameworthless Video
Can one really 'not have a framework?
Even if one comes to an intellectual conclusion of nihilism,
They do not drop to the ground, as a puppet, strings cut.

They continue one,
For strings still exist,
Their own nerves, muscles, spine, brain.

Even if one tried the DC Two Face method of flipping a coin,
Well, that's a choice,
To decide at whatever one feels, a framework.

I suppose one might cease to have the ability to choose,
Insofar as we can,
Should they 'damage their mind, brain,
Though if it was a choice. . .
Well, there is always outside chance and outside intention that can damage, without our consent.

. . .
Possessed,
Reminds me of Demons by Dostovesky,
The novel is also called The Possessed, in Russian.

One of it's themes is new ideas, taking hold of people in Russia.

. . .
Man, he sure says framework a lot.

. . .
Bah, a chimp or an elephant can paint art.

. . .
His advice is not normal,
As I, or most people I know would consider it.

. . .
People 'do seem to like beauty, the sublime.

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@AleutianTexan

The audio cuts in that video are painful to listen to.

If nobody else accepts this, I'll consider accepting this for the fun of it.

However, I did have the same thought as Intelligence.

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@AleutianTexan

"Feel free to comment with questions for me to understand more if it's not clear."

If it isn't clear, it is exploitable. Unless they really don't even want a win, they will accept it knowing how not clear it is. There is a reason debate topics on formal tournaments are so throughout and cannot be revised by either party officially before the tournament officially begins.