Thanks for participating! All Bible used will be KJV for me. Good luck to Melcharaz! He is going to need it. :)
My position is simply that the Trinity does not exist in the Bible. First the word Trinity is not in the Bible. It was invented about 100 years after the bible was written. Second, there is no term of God the Son in the bible either. Again, that was fabricated afterwards. In fact, all biblical scholars will tell you that the understanding of God is a mystery.
If the Trinity is co-equal, co-eternal and co-existent:
How can one be given by the other?
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. 16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
John3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Who has more authority to send and to give? Does the Father own the Son that he can him "His"?
How can a word against the Son be forgiven but against the Holy Ghost never be forgiven? Does the Holy Ghost have a mean temper that the Son does not?
Mathew 12:32And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come
Why was Jesus praying to God in the Garden? Shouldn't he pray to himself? How is it that he would have a different will than the Father? A little Psychosis going on here.
Matthew 26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
How is it that Jesus will be subject to the Father in the end? Is it really that "big daddy" does call all the shots?
1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
Who gets to sit upon the Throne? are they playing musical chairs?
Revelation 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
How is the Holy Ghost the father and the "Father"? Maybe we should do a paternity test.
Matthew 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
How is the Father the only Savior and not Jesus? Hmmm . . . Sounds like a good plot to a B-action movie. Son wants the power but Father doesn't give it.
Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. 11I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
This is show that the Bible never taught or even showed that there was a Trinitarian doctrine given. It was made up from corrupt church pastors to incorporate the pagan rituals and beliefs. Look up any pagan religion at the time of Christ and you will find a trinitarian formula for their God. The most damning is the Vedic Gods, Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. Exact same positions of co-equal, power etc.
I await your Trinitarian response. And please don't start with "God cannot be understood". I want Bible, not philosophy.
I got shut down by Melcharaz!!
Good job!
I had an errand to run and didn't make it back in time.
I screwed myself on this one.
please look at voting policy on kritiks, truisms and other forms of debate before posting, its needful you be aware of them.
the terms and definitions presented are acceptable. i will be only using scripture as the source as well.