In-Clinic Abortion is homicide.
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This debate will cover all stages of pregnancy but will not cover cases of rape, the removal of ectopic pregnancies, or abortions performed to save the life of the mother.
Homicide- The killing of one human being by another human being.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/homicide
The debate was unprofessional, as Pro claimed that clinical abortion is homicide, a legal assertion. This means Pro should have argued from a legal standpoint to prove that clinical abortion is homicidal. Instead, they simply used the biological consideration of a fetus being alive without addressing any legal complexities on the subject of abortion. Con provided more sources and had a better format but still failed to address the actual legal rebuttals one would expect in a discussion on a legal topic such as abortion. Therefore they neither made a more convincing argument nor provided more reliable sources as neither Pro nor Con were on topic when it came to the Primus of the debate.
This debate is essentially a semantic back-and-forth, and I can't really blame Con for playing Pro's game here, since it was obviously intended to be a technical win with the description of homicide in the description. I think the semantic bit could have been argued either way, but it turned out in Con's favor since both sides seemed to agree to a very literal interpretation. Animal abortions went conceded by Pro, and that's where the resolution comes in. Had the resolution been "Abortions are homicide," then Pro might have won by saying that the statement is true more often than not. But Con makes a compelling case that the resolution is a subcategory classification, essentially that abortion is a subset of homicide. This largely goes unchallenged by Pro.
Essentially, Pro argues that the resolution is generally true, but Con provides an interpretation wherein a single exception negates the resolution. I don't even know if an animal abortion has ever been performed in a clinic on an animal, but that point largely goes conceded by Pro. The internet seems to indicate that these kinds of services are offered for animals, but that's largely tangential to who argued their point better in the debate. At the very least, the animal point gives the win to Con, since Pro doesn't challenge that animal abortions actually happen.
Pro starts by saying that fetus is a human being, that human life begins at fertilization and that human zygote is most certainly a human being.
Pro gives the definition of an abortion and an in-clinic abortion. Pro concludes that abortion is homicide.
Con brings up arguments "1) animal abortions, 2) AI abortions, 3) metal beam abortions, 4) problem of Inheritance, 5) Accidental abortion 6) Abortion not caused by humans, 7) homicide but not abortion, 8) abortion when the fetus survives, 9) Dead fetus not killed by abortion, 10) Fetus being killed by acid 11) Tree trunk abortion".
These arguments are proven incorrect by definitions given by Pro:
"fetus is a human being"
"Merriam-Webster defines Abortion as.:
The termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by, resulting in, or closely followed by the death of the embryo or fetus."
"An in-clinic abortion is a minor medical procedure to end a pregnancy. The most common type is vacuum aspiration. The doctor puts a tube in the uterus."
Con says "Pro ignores every single fetus that isn't a part of the Homo Sapien species".
Pro's definitions are proven true when Pro says: "But it should be considered that when people discuss abortion in the general sense, this includes majority of scientific conversations, political discourse, or the discussion of ethics, it only refers to females of the human population.",
"Extend that in all instances of a human professional performing an abortion on a human mother with a living fetus is an act of homicide."
Con defends his AI argument: "Seeing the growth of what AI is, an allowance to learn what in-clinic abortion is and how it can be done is enough for them to be able to perform it."
Pro did refute the AI argument before: "Since it was man who designed artificial intelligence with the specific command of terminating a human fetus, then it's as good as a human holding a gun to someone and pulling the trigger. Yes technically, it was the gun and the bullet that did the killing, not the person. But as the specific command is automated for a purpose, then it stands to reason that this act was premeditated. And not just for one person, but multiple people. So whoever invented this murder machine is not only committing homicide, but genocide. And even if they did not commit the homicide themselves, they are still an accomplice and thereby an accessory.".
Since Pro proved his definitions to be true, the resolution is proved in Pro's favor. Argument points are given to Pro.
Both Pro and Con used sources. Sources are tie.
Legibility was similar. Legibility is tie.
Conduct was good on both sides. Conduct is a tie.
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>Points Awarded: 1 point to Con (Conduct)
>Reason for Decision:
The debate was unprofessional, as Pro claimed that clinical abortion is homicide, a legal assertion. This means Pro should have argued from a legal standpoint to prove that clinical abortion is homicidal. Instead, they simply used the biological consideration of a fetus being alive without addressing any legal complexities on the subject of abortion. Con provided more sources and had a better format but still failed to address the actual legal rebuttals one would expect in a discussion on a legal topic such as abortion. Therefore they neither made a more convincing argument nor provided more reliable sources as neither Pro nor Con were on topic when it came to the Primus of the debate.
However, Con presented a more structured argument and provided more sources than Pro, leading me to vote for Con based on better conduct.
>Reason for Mod Action:
The voter's explanation for why they're choosing not to award arguments or sources is sufficient, but the conduct point does not meet the voting standards. Quoting the voting policy:
"Awarded as a penalty for excessive abuse committed by the other side, such as extreme unsportsmanlike or outright toxic behavior which distracted from the topical debate. Common examples are repeatedly using personal attacks instead of arguments, committing plagiarism or otherwise cheating."
In other words, the voter must provide some reason to believe that one side was abusive to the other or otherwise acted inappropriately. What the voter has presented here falls more in line with slight legibility improvements (which would not be sufficient to award legibility by themselves) and more sources (which would also not be sufficient to award sources). As such, the vote is insufficient.
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I'll vote on this later... at the very least, it's an interesting enough debate that it deserves a vote that actually considers both sides' arguments.
The fact that you consider "metal beam abortion" and "tree trunk abortion" arguments in of themselves, let alone SEPARATE points, speaks volumes about how you didn't even read my argument clearly.
My conclusion was made in R3. Did you read any of that?
Done
Make the time a week and I can accept.