Instigator / Con
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Topic
#4486
politics and aristocracy
Status
Finished
The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.
Winner & statistics
After 4 votes and with the same amount of points on both sides...
It's a tie!
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- Time for argument
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- Voting period
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- Point system
- Multiple criterions
- Voting system
- Open
Contender / Pro
28
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Description
I've been asking myself this for a long time, what does the past have to do with the present, if there was a very powerful king in antiquity, kind and worthy of being respected because his descendant who conquered nothing was just born with everything done must be respected and treated like a god, because a royal family is treated differently in relation to the others, by simply being born or marrying a member of the nobility I become superior to a majority, the people are the majority and still accept being submissive to a minority totally prejudiced.
I love your vote!
@Why is appreciation and power given to the children of Kings?
I'll suppose 5 random reasons for some people would be,
1 Government 'exists,
2 Inheritance exists,
3 Elites exist,
4 What is 'Right, hardens,
5 Blood and Proxy Appreciation exists.
1 Government 'exists,
Societies tend to have 'some sort of government,
Societies often prefer safe and secure government.
Tying leadership to a royal family,
Might lend toward preventing warlords and tribal conflict.
The King dies,
Powerful people might say, why not me?
But they cannot,
For leadership was tied to the bloodline,
The King's eldest son is the King,
No warlord conflict then. Stability.
. .
A course there's a problem if the son is evil, insane, stupid.
And various other problems. But problems in many governments.
2 Inheritance exists,
Chiefs and Kings often, but not always,
Had the power to pass down their possession of the Kingdom.
Possessions 'becomes oneself, in a fashion.
3 Elites exist,
In older times, and even some modern times,
Those with the means,
Have the time and ability to better train and educate their young,
Generally speaking, and specifically speaking in Ruling.
. .
The assumption is made that the descendent is better equipped than some others.
4 What is 'Right, hardens,
People get used to an idea, a behavior, a value.
5 Blood and Proxy Appreciation exists.
Appreciation for the King of old, can lead to protecting that which is connected to him, by blood, by Icon, or love.
We are in some views, our ancestors immortality itself, represented as a symbol, an item cared for, many times reconstructed in similar shape or value.
@NoOneInParticular
Why does the Chieftain exist?
Give to me, my fellows, power,
For I have the qualities you need,
Massed, milling about as you are,
You will not accomplish,
So give in to me your following,
And in return, be led to prosperity.
. . .
Course 'qualities vary,
Prosperity too.
Strength of arm, bravery, wisdom, charisma, intelligence, knowledge, ruthlessness, inhumanity, humanity, politics, luck.
Wealthy kingdom, many Rights, glad to be alive or Only the King wealthy, few Rights, Fear, but 'alive.
Not sure why, but this debate was reported. As far as I can tell, it's because it's unclear what will be argued here, which isn't a basis for mod intervention. The debaters involved can and should discuss the terms of the debate.
what are you arguing for
What is Pro and what is Con?
please clarify what you are arguing for or against and I will consider accepting the challenge as of now it is not clear.
So, what's the argument here?