Donald Trump is responsible for the January 6th insurrection
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"I will be making a Big Speech at 10AM on January 6th at the Ellipse (South of the White House). Please arrive early, massive crowds expected. March to the Capitol after. Stop the Steal!!" https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-drafted-tweet-calling-supporters-march-us-capitol-jan-6-2022-7
"Statistically impossible to have lost the 2020 Election, Big protest in D.C. on January 6th, Be there, will be wild!" https://www.npr.org/2022/07/13/1111341161/how-trumps-will-be-wild-tweet-drew-rioters-to-the-capitol-on-jan-6
"Trump did tweet to his supporters to "remain peaceful." However, the meme lacks important context. The tweets were posted after the violence of the day had already begun. Further, the tweets came many months after Trump baselessly predicted that the 2020 U.S. presidential election would involve massive voter fraud."
“I recommended 10 but I said do whatever they want, they’re running the Capitol, they know what they’re doing,” Trump says in the video. “And the Capitol police knew about it, she (Pelosi) knew about it, and they turned it down because they said it didn’t look good.”
"Drew Hammill, Pelosi's spokesperson, told USA TODAY that Pelosi’s office was not consulted or contacted regarding any request for the National Guard ahead of Jan. 6, and he noted the speaker of the House does not have the power to reject that type of request."
Con did a FF
Pro made the argument that Trump did not accept defeat,
Made the argument that he encouraged his followers to march to the capital,
Con makes the argument that Pro needs to define responsibility,
And states Pro must prove Trump had both intent and actions.
Which Pro 'does have the actions of Trump that lead to the even, intended or not,
Though even without intention,
Being careless with power, a person still bears at least 'some responsibility.
(But without intention is my argument, not Pros)
Pro's argument is more about 'magnitude,
Than realization of end result,
Though it's a bit gray, protest, riot, insurrection,
Like tap, a push, a shove, a hit.
Regardless,
Pro argues that people have a common understanding of responsibility,
And that Trumps understanding of the event was implicit in his tweet (Round 1)
Cons argument around free will 'would derail a lot of debates,
Which is why people generally just assume free will,
Well, or responsibility free will or not,
But point is it's a sidestep.
I suppose Con could have argued Trump had no intent for an 'insurrection,
That he can only be held partially responsible for other's actions,
That he told them to leave (Eventually)
Con might have also argued it was not 'truly an 'insurrection,
But they didn't stick around.
But even if the debate had continued,
There are numerous events Pro could have used to argue his position.
Pro made their arguments, backed with sources, argued against Con's 1 round of arguments, stuck through the debate,
Arguments, sources, conduct to Pro.
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Surely an insurrection would have had to have occurred for Trump to be responsible.
Is responsibility possible to be assigned?
What does it mean to be “responsible” for something?