Ron DeSantis is a better choice for President than Joe Biden in the 2024 election.
The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.
After not so many votes...
- Publication date
- Last updated date
- Number of rounds
- Time for argument
- Two days
- Max argument characters
- Voting period
- Two weeks
- Point system
- Multiple criterions
- Voting system
- Minimal rating
Pro argues Ron DeSantis is the better candidate, Con argues Joe Biden is the better candidate.
1. Regardless of politics, voters must be unbiased and judge only according to the arguments presented.
2. BOP is shared.
3. One forfeit is the loss of a conduct point. Two are an autoloss.
- Too old and senile.
- Unreliability & Incompetence.
- A lot of passivity in the role and not a lot of response to demand.
- Hated by his own party.
- Creating more problems than he solves.
- Chronic Memory Problems
- “Is 80-year-old Joe Biden really fit for four more years? After a first term marked by gaffes and falls, doctors tell DailyMail.com they fear for health of President who has suffered two brain aneurysms and has a heart issue that raises his risk of dementia”
- “Biden's yearly physical exam revealed America's oldest President is suffering from seven conditions, including a heart condition that makes the muscle beat too fast, causing dizziness and confusion. He has also suffered two brain aneurysms.” 1
- “On June 1, Biden convened a virtual meeting at the White House with senior executives of baby formula manufacturers. They told the President more than once that that as soon as the Abbott recalls were announced in February, they knew they had a serious problem on their hands.
- “But with the midterms looming and not much faith among Democrats in the White House or beyond for more wins in Congress between now and the fall, operatives are pressing Biden to move where he can.” 1
- “Biden has been mulling what to do on student loans for more than a year. White House staff drafted a memo on the topic weeks ago, and a final decision is now being targeted ahead of when the current repayment pause expires on August 31 – further aggravating progressives who say Biden’s indecision is hurting people with debt who are trying to make plans, and losing much of the political benefit he could get from it.” 2
- Joe Biden is causing the economy to fail.
- He has lied about Republicans to scare elderly democrats while also making medicare and social security more expensive.
- He has decreased workers’ income.
- Healthcare has become less affordable under Biden and price inflation for insurance has gone up dramatically.
- Biden is too geriatric and mentally incompetent for a 2nd term, as validated by medical experts.
- Price inflation (including gas prices) was at its highest under Biden.
- Employment wages dropped by 3% under Biden.
- Biden has demonstrated a chronic inability to act immediately, such as when the Baby formula shortage happened under his watch, failing to act when a judge deliberately imposed limitations on womens’ right to abortion, and not acting quick enough in the Student Loan Debt Crisis.
- That Biden has directly hurt lower-income families through raising the price of goods, foods, and basic living needs.
- Biden’s economy was consistently underperforming.
- Healthcare and social security have become LESS affordable under Biden, and prices for insurance have become more expensive.
- Ron DeSantis is proactive.
- Ron understands the problems of the nation, the economy, and what kind of solutions are required.
- Ron’s ideology and ambition are currently unmatched by either Biden or Trump.
- “In 2022, Florida’s unemployment rate continued to decline, dropping to a low of 2.6 percent in November — the lowest among the nation’s top ten largest states and 1.1 percent lower than the nation’s. November marks two consecutive years (24 straight months) that Florida’s unemployment rate has remained below the nation’s. Florida also continued to exceed the national job growth rate for the 20th consecutive month in November 2022.
- Florida’s labor force grew by 352,000, or 3.4 percent, over the year, more than double the national labor force growth rate of 1.5 percent over the same time period.”
- “Through the Florida Job Growth Grant Fund, this year, more than $66 million has been awarded to 22 communities and educational institutions for this purpose, which is projected to create more than 19,000 jobs and training opportunities for Floridians over the next 10 years.
- In 2022, the Rural Infrastructure Fund (RIF) awarded more than $13 million to 27 rural communities in Florida to help facilitate the planning, preparing, and financing of infrastructure projects in rural communities that encourage job creation, capital investment, and the strengthening and diversification of rural economies.” 1
- In a Capitalist society, employers are free to deny employment to citizens on the basis of their political or social beliefs. This has been a problem for people who are trying to get a job, but can’t because of where they live. Ron DeSantis has directly opposed this.
- Preventing the financial sector from denying citizens loans, credit lines, and bank accounts on the basis of their social credit scores.
- Through blocking ESG in investment decisions, Ron’s priority is to secure and protect the investments of retirees and taxpayers, only ensuring that the return of the investment is optimal. 2
- “ESG funds consistently underperform.
- Last year, more than half of the largest ESG exchange traded funds lagged in the S&P 500. They consistently underperform other non-ESG funds. In fact, Harvard Business Review reports that “no study has proven ESG causes higher returns.”
- That’s because the investment strategy focuses on “green” motives and other agenda priorities of the Left instead of the potential for a high return on investment (ROI). Contrary to the president’s claim, it’s a major risk to the retirement savings of Americans to encourage investing in funds for the sake of any criteria other than its success in generating high returns.
- ESG funds are more expensive than non-ESG funds.
- ESG funds have much higher fees than other funds—these fees can be as high as 40 percent more than traditional, non-ESG funds.
- Encouraging ESG in investing means encouraging Americans to spend more to get less. Nasdaq reports that a majority of the assets in ESG funds are invested in the same holdings as non-ESG funds, which leads to this shocking conclusion: “For every dollar you invest in an ESG fund, a little less than a third goes into stocks you could have gotten in a fund that isn’t ESG.”
- Investing with ESG criteria hurts the economy in other ways.
- Fossil fuels account for 80 percent of U.S. energy consumption and are a reliable investment option. But ESG intentionally diverts capital away from this crucial industry in the name of a “green agenda.”
- It not only results in lackluster returns for investors, but it also ends up helping to suffocate the key energy industry that has a profound impact on every other aspect of the American economy. A struggling energy industry means higher gas and fuel prices, and higher consumer prices as a result. In this way, ESG investing is helping to drive inflation.” 3
- “Public school teachers in Florida are banned from holding classroom instruction about sexual orientation or gender identity after Florida's Gov. Ron DeSantis, a Republican, signed the controversial "Parental Rights in Education" bill.
- The bill, which some opponents have called "Don't Say Gay," was signed by DeSantis on Monday. It reads, "Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards."
- Supporters of the legislation say it's meant to allow parents to determine when and in what way to introduce LGBTQ topics to their children. It also gives parents an option to sue a school district if the policy is violated.
- During a press conference ahead of signing the law, DeSantis said teaching kindergarten-aged kids that "they can be whatever they want to be" was "inappropriate" for children.” 4
- Ron DeSantis is ceasing funding from institutions that teach CRT because the diversity programs are what is causing racial division. He is transferring the funds to make the quality of education better. 5
“Joe Biden is not a very popular president. His approval rating has been underwater since August of 2021. He has been subjected to a barrage of sensationalist media coverage aimed at lambasting his administration. Fox News would have you believe that he is not only a feeble-minded old man, but the worst president in American history. And lately, the left wing has been attacking him for lacking the progressive chops of Bernie Sanders. I will make the case that Biden is much more politically savvy than these caricatures let on, and that his administration has made real, tangible accomplishments that benefit a wide swath of Americans.
Policy wonks are well aware of Biden’s successful legislative record. On November 15, 2021, Biden signed into law the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act (IIJA), a bill which invests $550 billion in new spending on roads, bridges, public transit, the power grid, protection against droughts and hurricanes, and other infrastructure. Biden’s predecessor often boasted of his ability to make a deal just like this one, saying correctly that it would create jobs and boost the economy, but it never came to fruition. It’s safe to say that the bill would never have come to pass through Congress alone - it evolved from an early proposal of the Biden administration called the American Jobs Plan, and was the result of tireless months of Biden negotiating across the political aisle.”
- If the money is going to a cause that is not generating results.
- If the funding is causing a policy to sabotage the economy in anyway or causing more harm than it stops.
The Presidency is a young man’s game.
Unreliability & Incompetence & Failure to respond to Demand
Hated By His Own Party
Joe Biden is causing the economy to fail.
President Biden has been making inaccurate accusations about Republicans…
Medicare premiums have risen for seniors since 2020Real wages have decreased 3.5 percent since he took office
In 2022, the Rural Infrastructure Fund (RIF) awarded more than $13 million to 27 rural communities in Florida
Biden’s ESG bill will hurt the nation
Despite what people think, this bill is not discriminating against the LGBT community.
Biden appears to have no specific vision in mind and is just throwing the money around to every issue he sees as a threat
- Biden’s cognitive decline.
- Biden’s failing economy. (Rising prices on medicare and social security, with decreased wages for workers.)
- Real harm impacts of ESG.
- Selective Investment to mitigate inflation.
“The numbers don’t lie. The fact that my opponent praises DeSantis for investing money into solving problems, but when Biden does the exact same thing, criticizes it as “throwing money around”, tells us everything we need to know. Pro is using a double standard to portray Biden in as negative a light as possible, rather than fairly weighing the facts.”
- So demand went up, while supply went down to rock-bottom.
- The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) and the Penn-Wharton Budget Model have also estimated that President Biden’s inflation tax costs the typical family $5,000 a year, and hits the middle class and those just starting their career or families the hardest.
- For working Americans, in just one year, Democrats wiped out three years of wage gains through inflation.”
“I couldn’t find anything related to “Biden’s ESG bill”. All I could find was a bill passed by House Republicans trying to ban ESG (again, so much for “limited government”) which was vetoed by Biden. I would ask Pro, if possible, to clarify in the final round what he meant by “Biden’s ESG bill”. This topic seems to have more to do with Republicans’ hostility to anything environment-related than any real problems, and the claim that ESG causes inflation is dubious. “
- “ESG funds consistently underperform.
- They threaten retirement savings and reduce the chance on a return investment.
- They’re more expensive than non-ESG funds.
- It raises gas and fuel prices.
- Americans have to spend more to get less.” 3
- I do not care about investing when it’s carefully planned and it’s likely to generate success.
- Joe Biden and the White House have spent impulsively which jeopardized the economy in ways it was nearly impossible to come back from. (SS, Medicare, less income for employees, or basic goods for poorer families, and small businesses being forced to shut down.)
- Ron DeSantis withdraws funding from policies that are actively sabotaging the nation and has a great track record of only using this money for the good of the people.
- DeSantis is divisive and hostile towards anyone who does not share his right-wing agenda.
- DeSantis is antisocial, and the presidency requires socializing with voters, lawmakers, and foreign leaders.
- Because of the above two factors, DeSantis is unlikely to be able to work with Democrats to pass anything in Congress.
Con makes a lot of bold predictions, regarding Biden’s future success…much of our current evidence contradicts this hypothetical input.
I raise zero objections with investing. My main issue is Biden’s careless spending…there is zero guarantee his most recent transactions will yield positive results.
Biden is 74…The average life expectancy for men is 69
Kamala Harris will be an even bigger disaster…Ms. Harris is a grifter, with no actual moral decency or political standing.
he has had two brain aneurysms and a heart condition that puts him at risk for Alzheimer’s, which Con had no response to.
I frequently criticized Joe Biden’s constant spending because it has not only caused inflation
As for medicare and social security, well, Biden made that worse too.
The problem seems to lie in the harms that these environmental policies cause (Which Con ignored btw.):