Instigator / Con
11
1500
rating
4
debates
50.0%
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Topic
#4531

Abortion is NOT murder

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
3
6
Better sources
4
4
Better legibility
2
2
Better conduct
2
2

After 2 votes and with 3 points ahead, the winner is...

Savant
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
5
Time for argument
Three days
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
One week
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Pro
14
1693
rating
20
debates
100.0%
won
Description

BoP rests on BOTH parties (ie - shared).

DEFINITIONS:
Abortion: induced termination of a pregnancy
Murder: when one human being unlawfully kills another human being.
Human Being: A person.
Person: shall include every infant member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any stage of development (1 US Code 8); a human being considered as capable of having legal rights and being charged with duties.

ESTABLISHMENT OF LEGAL RIGHTS:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States...shall be bestowed all the rights, privileges and equal protections of the law and shall not be deprived thereof without due process of law (14th Amendment).

BIOLOGICAL FACTS OF REALITY:
A pregnancy is gestational development of a potential human being.
Potentiality =/= Actuality. Never has. Never will.
Birth and thereafter is the biological and physiological maturation of an actual human being.

LEGAL FACTS OF REALITY:
A pregnancy has no legal rights, privileges and/or equal protection(s) of the law.
The fetal homicide laws, both state and federal, designate the pregnancy, regardless of stage, is merely a 'legal victim' of the act, not an actual human being. This law is nothing more than an enhancement charge to ensure the offender spends more time incarcerated. Nothing more.

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@TWS1405_2

Alright, can't say I've heard from either of those accounts or from anyone else in an attempt to get you banned, but I'll keep that in mind.

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@whiteflame

So...it appears that the former "RationalMadMan" user is making any and all efforts to get me banned from DART.
He/She/It/They have other "alt" accounts: John OO and jamgiller

He challenged me to a debate, I accepted, and shortly thereafter he declined and then claimed to be too busy in life to engage anyone or participate at DART. Appears he is still watching and following.

Just a heads up in case he makes efforts to get me banned, suspended, or what have you under obvious FALSE pretenses.

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@Savant

"Thanks to you as well! Thought you did a good job."
Appreciate that; and likewise, for sure.

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@TWS1405_2

Thanks to you as well! Thought you did a good job.

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@Barney

"Skimmed this: I don’t foresee any way around the definitions which makes the resolution inherently true."

~ Could you be anymore cryptic?

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@Savant

Thank you for taking the time and energy to engage me in this debate.
Gratitude.

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@Greyparrot
@Sir.Lancelot

Thank you both for voting, and your follow-up comments.

Had I not screwed myself on position (I meant to be the opposite of what I was), I would have won this debate hands down.

Alas, I had to play Devil's Advocate. I did my best, but I knew I would not win.

S.L. - yes, I know I would have wiped the floor with RationalMadMan easily.

Thank you, G.P. for the kudos and advice. Much appreciated.

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@TWS1405_2

I can 100% say TWS would’ve won against RationalMadMan on his first attempt if they debated like they said they would.

With enough experience, TWS could contend with and possibly beat Novice_ll.

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@TWS1405_2

You did really well, it's just you have to pay attention to definitions and resolutions or you can accidentally create a very difficult debate skewed to one side.

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@Greyparrot
@Sir.Lancelot

Thanks for voting!

Skimmed this: I don’t foresee any way around the definitions which makes the resolution inherently true.

Cool, it's finally finished. I'll read this today and probably vote tomorrow.

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@Savant

Initials and a combinations of numbers heard on a movie that stuck.

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@TWS1405_2

If you don't mind me asking, what is TWS1405 a reference to? I've always wondered.

Sure would be nice if more than one eligible person would provide a legitimate vote. After all, this was my first debate here. And I forced myself to play Con (devil’s advocate)!!!

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@Greyparrot

Please vote, if you have time.

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@oromagi

You may like voting on this one.

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@TWS1405_2
@Savant

I think you both did really great here.

Would you guys like to join my Tournament?

You may register as a participant or spectator (Judge.).

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@Savant

Oh hell yeah I’m gonna vote!

I couldn’t wait for the opportunity.

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@Barney
@Intelligence_06
@Sir.Lancelot

Please vote!

In TWS’s defense, I once made a debate and accidentally assigned myself the wrong side.

I just happened to get lucky that my opponent forfeited.

Savant is like that Final Boss with no health bar.

I know I will lose this deabte, no matter how hard I try...because the facts are against me.

I accept that.

Having said that, being my first formal debate at DART, being devil's advocate, it a great exercise. Especially in humility.

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@Devon

I did reply.

Apparently, you have no self-control in keeping our panties (err...G-string) on.

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@TWS1405_2

Boy hush I ain't worried bout you thats why im LAUGHING because you aint saying shit. How bout you reply to my comment on the other debate pussy

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@Devon

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Intellectual coward that you so clearly are.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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@TWS1405_2

Good luck.

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@Bella3sp

"I tried to warn you."

yeah, I admit I fucked up. So, I better own it.

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@Devon

I will restart this debate just for you and your "dumbass," but instead of having to argue as devil's advocate, I will be PRO and you can be CON. You can then take your best shot. Pissant.

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@TWS1405_2

I tried to warn you.

DAMNIT!!!!! I selected the wrong option.
First debate setup. My bad.

Guess I will have to first test my skills playing devil's advocate then.

Can't wait for Savant to destroy this dumbass in this debate!

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@TWS1405_2

As con your arguing that it is murder. Is that what you want? Otherwise I would fix it.

Edit:
Nevermind. I guess your a pro-lifer now!