Instigator / Pro
8
1424
rating
12
debates
20.83%
won
Topic

Users Should be Able to Delete Their votes as long the voting period has not expired

Status
Finished

All stages have been completed. The voting points distribution and the result are presented below.

Arguments points
0
12
Sources points
4
8
Spelling and grammar points
2
4
Conduct points
2
2

With 4 votes and 18 points ahead, the winner is ...

RationalMadman
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Publication date
Last update date
Category
Miscellaneous
Time for argument
Three days
Voting system
Open voting
Voting period
One week
Point system
Four points
Rating mode
Rated
Characters per argument
30,000
Contender / Con
26
1672
rating
283
debates
66.96%
won
Description
~ 95 / 5,000

Round 1: opening arguments
Round 2: rebuttals
Round 3: rebuttals of your opponent’s rebuttals

Round 1
Pro
Forfeited
Con
The Editing Kritik

The deletion is suboptimal and should be removed entirely from the website or at least be as temporary an option as it is. Why be able to bury evidence? Why not let the person have logged edits where mods can always see previous versions of the vote and such so that anything abusive remains subject to moderation and scrutiny quality-wise so as to help the user vote better either by advice, reward and/or punishment?

The Deletion-is-permanent Dilemma

Deletion is a problem. Deleting things on this website as it is and also as the word is supposed to mean, completely wipes it from the server. This is a moderation loophole where the solution that's easiest (the path of least resistance) is to not let people delete at all or at the very least keep it limited so people are held responsible when culpable for the abusive, neglectful or lazy Reasons For the Decision (RFD) that they post with their votes?


Round 2
Pro
Forfeited
Con
I predicted and still predict a last-minute counter that 'but deleting should be available and instead altered so that Mods can see the previous version'.

Okay, this has 2 counter-angles:

Angle 1) The mods are self-professed laissez-faire meaning that they only tend to react to things if others than themselves report it, by removing it from view and not even marking that it's been edited, it will reduce the chance of people getting caught (so I am then altering my 'editing' to become that even normal users can see previous versions of what's edited, which truly holds the user to what they post no matter what they alter later on and increases likelihood of toxic or otherwise CoC violating posts to be dealt with).

Angle 2) The voter may not inherently be CoC-violating but instead be poor at voting. They may want or need encouragement and suggestions how to improve but be so insecure that they keep deleting the vote over and over out of lack of assurance. It's better to 'trap them' and then deal with their reasons for voting as are/were in a way that they explicitly will learn how to improve.
Round 3
Pro
I concede. I wish to debate this again in the future.
Con
I refuse to lose, or to abuse the snooze-infested cruise-paced too late to the debate? Your shoes are not enough for mercy you must profusely bruise your depressed soul at my amusement, you're bruised and you're confused... For if I misuse my time in real life and make an excuse, do you think other users here would have honour or would the boos and the tomato-throwing cruel merciless groupies of you would say 'RM you gotta take your loss like a boss, that's what real men do' so tell me now, you think I truly owe a tie to you? I'm sorry but I'm the top of the food-chain in this cesspool.