Instigator / Pro
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1500
rating
3
debates
83.33%
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Topic
#4839
Christianity teaches good morals and should be present in school
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Finished
The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.
Winner & statistics
Better arguments
3
0
Better sources
2
2
Better legibility
1
1
Better conduct
1
1
After 1 vote and with 3 points ahead, the winner is...
Mr.Chaser
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- 2
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- One day
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- One week
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1309
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274
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Round 1
Pro
#1
Christianity teaches many good morals, among which are, turn the other cheek, love thy neighbour, be thankful for what you have, and be generous. The bible was removed from schools due to some sexual content, which is understandable but I believe that it should be not only available to students but taught in some classes such as history. The book has nothing truly explicit and health class teaches of sex anyhow so they are already being exposed. There is additionally no true downside to teaching it, I believe it will help students in their day to day lives to be better people and even atheist students will benefit having a better understanding of the bible so they can truly make up their own opinions on it.
Con
#2
Christianity itself is a lie. We shouldnt teach lies.
Christianity says that God is completely good.
Thats a lie.
Introduction
In this debate, we will cover a completely good God, and I will try to explain why he doesnt exist. I will bring many reasons to support my case. In fact, I have some doubts about God and I hope that my opponent wins this debate by convincing me that my arguments are wrong.
Definitions
God - All powerful and all knowing being who created everything.
Arguments
1. The problem of evil
Completely good God would not create evil. It is possible for there to be world with only good people. God can easily remove all evil people. God can also prevent natural disasters, famines, animal attacks, diseases, and viruses. It would be ridiculous to claim that an all powerful being cannot create a world without evil. It would also be ridiculous to claim that a perfect being would create such an imperfect world.
2. The problem of purpose
The strongest argument against good God is not merely the problem of evil.
Its not "evil exists = good God doesnt"
Its the problem of purpose.
Think about it.
For what purpose would a good God create this world?
This world is full of evil that literally plays no purpose in anything.
It merely tortures good people.
Plus, there is no equal standard for anything in this world.
Some die in the womb. Some die from hunger at age 5. Some are born with disorders. Some are forced into crime at early age.
All live with different intelligence, different living conditions, different urges, different sexual orientation, different abilities, different life experiences, different available knowledge and education, different genetics, different parents, different starting point, different life expectancy, different emotions that affect their actions. Some experience lots of pain early in life, making them much more likely to be evil.
How is that an equal opportunity for everyone to become good?
There is simply no purpose in this world. No rational and good God would create such a world.
There is no explanation for what purpose all the human and animal suffering plays, and what purpose will suffering play in hell.
From this, only one can be concluded. God is not good. He exists, but he is not good
3. It is possible to imagine a world without evil
As long as it remains possible for us to imagine a world with less evil, good God cannot exist.
We can imagine a world with no evil. Good God would have created such a world, and not this world.
4. Its hard to be good and at the same time justify why people burning alive for all eternity is a good thing
There is simply no excuse to torment people for all eternity. First, one can easily not create such people in the first place and avoid all the trouble. Second, if they are already created, they can be destroyed. There is no point in tormenting them when destroying them will remove their suffering and prevent them from doing evil.
5. God can prevent all evil, yet chooses not to
God has power to prevent all murders, all rape, all hunger. The only question is: Why doesnt he? A good God would.
6. There is no justification for evil caused by God
Some religious folks have suggested that all evil is beneficial. All evil that we experience carries some benefit for us, they say.
However, with that idea, we reach a bit of a weird situation.
Lets say you have a rape victim. Can you seriously argue that being raped was beneficial for her?
Because then you would basically be arguing that the rapist was actually helping her, acting in her interest and in God's interest.
How can you condemn a rapist while claiming that rape is beneficial?
Now, some folks like to throw around "free will". However, that contradicts with God's omniscience.
If God knew that certain person will commit rape, why would God create such a person? Its God's action of creating a rapist that made the rape happen, which makes God guilty.
So God wasnt simply "letting it happen". He was helping to make it happen. Its like me opening a cage with wild bear in it, and then when bear attacks people, responsibility would be mine.
Conclusion
Its a lie. There are no good manners in teaching lies. Also, Christianity and islam are most violent religions in the world. Not good.
Round 2
Pro
#3
INTRO
I see you brought up many good points as to why god doesn’t exist, most of which are based on the idea that a good god wouldn’t allow evil. I will attempt to help explain these occurrences.
I would also like to clarify that as I have said regardless of if it’s real or not, it will still benefit students in numerous ways through the good lessons and morals.
Counter arguments
1.Problem of Evil
You talk about how god is supposedly all good and as such our world should be less evil. He should of created a better world, and although he certainly could of he purposely chose not to.
Why are Humans evil?
The reason for this is because god loves us and he wanted us to be able to love him the same way. He could of made us without sin, made us perfect but that would cause us to lose our free will.
God did not want us to be his puppets, he wanted us to be free to our own choice because forcefully making us love him and be good is not truly being good and loving.
2. Why do bad things happen?
Due to our ability to choose our own paths and be whoever we want to be, humans all have sin deep inside of them. It is an unavoidable fact. So when the Snake (the devil) spoke to Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden telling them to eat the apple, they couldn’t help themselves. The devil preyed on their natural yearn to break rules, and this event; Adam and Eve eating the apple resulted in the sin we see in our world. The lord released sin and evil upon the world.
How is this punishment fair?
Many say that this is completely unfair since all they did was eat an apple right? Well the reason god acted so harshly was due to the fact that The Garden of Eden along with Heaven itself are holy places such as the lord, they are free of sin and evil. So Adam and Eve sinning was unholy and due to them committing a sin in a holy area they had to be punished. They were forced to roam the earth where sin now lived and prospered.
Violence among religions.
You mentioned how Christianity is the most violent religion which true or not it is not the religion that causes this violence it is the people who follow it. The bible is about peace and love, but a big part of the bible is being able to interpret it in different ways. As Sir Ian McKellen said “As long as there has been one true god there has been killing in his name”.
This is because people are passionate about their religions and they will go to war to defend its good name. It is simply unfair to blame Christianity as a religion for these issues though.
It’s no different then racism which can be defined as “prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group” this definition very clearly mirrors the way you blame Christianity for the acts that it’s followers have committed.
Arguments
1. Censorship
In an age where we are trying to teach kids more about the people and world around them such as introducing LGBTQ classes and teaching about diversity I believe that it is unfair for Christianity to be left out of this. It is on of the most influential and followed religions in the entire world and as such should be taught about in schools rather then ignored and censored.
Ideals and Morals
The morals and ideals taught in the bible match perfectly with the rules and how students are expected to act.
Schools main rules are, be respectful, treat others how you want to be treated, be generous and don’t lie or cheat. These all match with the main messages in the bible:
Respect:
“And you yourself must be an example to them by doing good works of every kind. Let everything you do reflect the integrity and seriousness of your teaching.”
Titus 2:7 NLT
Treat others as you want to be treated:
“Do to others as you would like them to do to you.”
Luke 6:31 NLT
Be generous:
“Give, and you will receive. Your gift will return to you in full—pressed down, shaken together to make room for more, running over, and poured into your lap. The amount you give will determine the amount you get back.””
Luke 6:38 NLT
Never lie:
“The Lord detests lying lips, but he delights in those who tell the truth.”
Proverbs 12:22 NLT
CONCLUSION
The Bible will benefit all students religious or not in teaching them about the history and better understanding their classmates as well as helping students be better people.
Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:
Pro argues the resolution, while Con argues the existence of God and basically concedes in R2. Their argument seems to be that we shouldn't teach lies, but it's hard to weigh that against all the benefits Pro is claiming, and Con never really establishes that Christianity is a lie, given that all of Pro's responses are dropped.
You might be agnostic.
Sometimes I am Christian. Sometimes I am not. I dont stick permanently. I change mind often. Its probably some curse.
Aren't you christian? Your profile states that you are christian but you aren't acting like it.
Thank you for the debate Best.Korea you brought up some very good points.