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Please send a message to me on the topic so I can start the first round with a full introduction.
- For some reason, Pro attempts to blame me for him forfeiting his round. This should probably just be ignored.
First of all prove exactly what?
- Prove that "Every single Mathematician in the world agrees that 2+2=61738383" you know...the debate topic.
- Let's note that the pro offered no argument or evidence in favor of the debate proposition in his entire second round, even after forfeiting the first round. Pretty much everything he says therein can be discarded, he may as well have forfeited the second round.
Likewise, there been no proof from the opposing side that mathematicians takes the stance of 2 adding 2 equals something other than 4.
- Con does not have the burden of proof in this debate. There was no"shared" clause stipulated in the rules. Nevertheless, we know that mathematicians all make use of calculators in this work, and according to a working calculator 1+1=2, or not 61738383, so inductively we can conclude that at least one mathematician believes that 1+1 = 2 and not 61738383.
- I did not see any evidence or argument presented to show that "[e]very single Mathematician in the world agrees that 2+2=61738383." It seems like pro has no interest in actually trying to defend this in the debate, so I will mostly just extend my previous round.
- Pro even concedes that:
"2 plus 2 equalling 61738383 is the wrong calculation. When you don't add numbers correctly, you get the incorrect calculation...Mathematicians knowing all about calculations know that and would AGREE with that"
- So it seems that pro admits that Mathematicians do not in fact agree that 2+2 is not equal to 61738383. We may as well treat this as the end of the debate.
"2 plus 2 equalling 61738383 is the wrong calculation. When you don't add numbers correctly, you get the incorrect calculation...Mathematicians knowing all about calculations know that and would AGREE with that"
- So it seems that pro admits that Mathematicians do not in fact agree that 2+2 is not equal to 61738383. We may as well treat this as the end of the debate. "
The topic here was very clearly defined by Con, so I don't buy Pro's kritik. To believe something means to think that it is true—this is strongly implied throughout Con's argument, and it is the most straightforward interpretation of the resolution. Since Pro concedes that mathematicians do not think 2+2 is actually 61738383, this is essentially ceding the resolution as false.
Legibility goes to Con since Pro's case was unreadable at times, with arguments that seemed to shift from one kritik to another on different words in the resolution. This could have been solved if Pro had just used bold headings and bullets (as Con did) to make their case easier to comprehend.
Well, this was a fun one.
"According to a working calculator 1+1=2"
This went unchallenged by Pro.
"They'd agree an incorrect calculation would get an incorrect number."
This went unchallenged by Con.
With both sides not touching each other's case, I have no way to vote either way.
I can believe that working calculators say that 2+2=4.
I can also believe that every single Mathematician in the world agrees that 2+2=61738383, because they agree that when you add numbers incorrectly you get that number.
I am not going to give conduct points, because it does seem like topic was only established after that one forfeiture.
Legibility and sources were somewhat equal on both sides.
Every *single* mathematician
With a *bachelor's* degree
I see what you did there.
Or that
61738383 = 4
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"The topic is: Every single Mathematician in the world agrees that 2+2=61738383"
Sure, as long as we assume that 2 = half of 61738383
Mall
8/19/2023, 6:24:11 AM
Several of you accept the challenge but don't send a message on the topic. Now I'm on the clock. What is the topic?
The opposing side is restricting the topic possibly causing a first round forfeit.
Let me guess, the topic will be "US should declare war on Canada" with Mall as Pro.