Instigator / Pro
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1469
rating
344
debates
40.99%
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Topic
#5000

Is it right that the father gets to decide/dictate no abortion of his offspring?

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
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0
Better sources
2
2
Better legibility
1
1
Better conduct
1
1

After 1 vote and with 3 points ahead, the winner is...

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Number of rounds
5
Time for argument
Two days
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30,000
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One month
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4
1309
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280
debates
40.36%
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Description

Disclaimer : Regardless of the setup for voting win or lose, The aim of this interaction, Is for those that view it, Learn and or take away anything that will amount to any constructive value ultimately. So that counts as anything that'll cause one to reconsider an idea, Understand a subject better, Help build a greater wealth of knowledge getting closer to truth. When either of us has accomplished that with any individual here, That's who the victor of the debate becomes.

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Round 1
Pro
#1
This topic is talked about frequently according to said numbers on this site. It should be talked about.

Many people in this world are fathers. Many more that could of been through their choice will not be because of another's choice.

I could make an argument about rights I'm sure the opposing sides are prepared to deal with it.

I could make analogies such as that of a homeowner or any type of property owner that has entitlements to making decisions over theirs.

Isn't it right for an owner to make choices in regards to their house and or property?

Sure.

But what is right? What does right ultimately mean?

What am I referring to as being right?

To know what right is, there's a line breaking off what wrong would be.

So everything is breaking into either label.

Either label has its own set of consequences or generally speaking results.

So just speaking about life , looking at the existence of it and non existence of it, that's two categories or two labels. 

One label is life and I elect to use the word "right" to apply to the category. 

Therefore let's plug in the language in answer to the topic question.

Is it right that the father gets to decide/dictate no abortion of his offspring?

Is it "life" that the father gets to decide/dictate no abortion of his offspring?
Yes as no abortion of offspring would be life.

Or

Is it "the existence of life "that the father gets to decide/dictate no abortion of his offspring?

It is life that they're dictating or deciding when deciding no abortion of life .

Now if it's just this straightforward, why all the controversy?

That's the key. The propaganda is used to cloud, perplex the issue blurring the lines brainwashing, confusing, influencing, clouding the thinker's decision on their position of life . Turning them nihilistic, antihuman, arguing that life is a problem and that human population is a problem. 

The sophistry is saturated and propagated. We look down through history of fighting for freedom, civil rights, voting rights, engaging in civil wars trying to abolish slavery and injustices.

All for what? To make lives better. But then circle around for the right to extinguish them.


No no no , doesn't compute. I hope the opposing side has serious bountiful counterpoints.


Con
#2
I agree that father would save life of child if he dictated no abortion.

But some of us wish we were aborted, and those who were aborted so far didnt complain.
Round 2
Pro
#3
Ok so you agree with my position. Is there something controversy you do wish to discuss?
Con
#4
No.

Your position is that it is right.

It is true that father would save life of a child, but there is no reason to believe it is the right thing to do.
Round 3
Pro
#5
Well elaborate. Let's not have lackadaisical counterpoints you know.
Con
#6
It is simply better if fetus is aborted.

It is better for that fetus.
Round 4
Pro
#7
You're forfeiting this debate. You're not giving me any arguments. 

You're just saying something is better and this thing over here is not right and leaving it there.

I've made several points and you're not responding and countering any of them .

If you don't have any will to debate at the moment just let it be known and we can call it over.
Con
#8
There is a lot of pain in life, so giving birth to a child is not doing any favor to that child.
Round 5
Pro
#9
"There is a lot of pain in life, so giving birth to a child is not doing any favor to that child."

Very lackadaisical. I can just say there's a lot of joy in life so giving birth to me is kind because I've experienced so much joy. 

The bottomline is you agreed that a it is right that a father dictates or decides no abortion.

"I agree that father would save life of child if he dictated no abortion."

The word"right " in this topic means life. It is life the Father is deciding when deciding no abortion. I accept your agreement once again.

"It is true that father would save life of a child, but there is no reason to believe it is the right thing to do."

This statement conflicts because the term right would mean to have life in this topic. So in actuality, the first part of the statement you're communicating that it's right, the second you're saying it's not.

Now you probably mean something different by the term right in the second part. But because you've behaved lackadaisical in your arguing, you haven't elaborated much of anything, distinguished anything and haven't realized you're really double talking due to the lack of clarity.




Con
#10
Oh okay