The God Of The KJV Bible Intended For Humans To Sin
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The god of the King James Version of the bible intended for humans to sin.
god - the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.
King James Version (KJV) - an English translation of the Bible made in 1611 at the order of King James I and still widely used.
bible - the Christian scriptures, consisting of the Old and New Testaments.
intend - have (a course of action) as one's purpose or intention; plan.
human - a man, woman, or child of the species Homo sapiens, distinguished from other animals by superior mental development, power of articulate speech, and upright stance.
sin (v.) - commit an immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law.
evil - profound immorality and wickedness, especially when regarded as a supernatural force.
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"For by him all things in heaven and on earth were created, things visible and invisible, whether they are kings, lords, rulers, or powers. All things have been created through him and for him."
"Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:"
"And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works."
"And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.."
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God"
- God intends for humans to be good.
- Any unintended sin can be used to turn sorrow into joy for His plan.
"In Genesis 1, it states repeatedly that God saw everything and found it to be good."
"Declaring the end from the beginning, and the things that are not yet done, I will do all my pleasure." -god
"Why would the God of the KJV Bible intend for humans to sin; instead of intending for humans to be good?"
"He intended for them to be good."
"There’s no need to send His Son to die on the cross. There’s no need to even create a Bible since everyone would be good and believe in Him. No fuss, no mess, just perfect and good creation. Hell would exist only for Satan, and all God’s children don’t need to go to Heaven since Earth is perfect like Heaven."
"Any unintended sin can be used to turn sorrow into joy for His plan."
"Would God, being all-knowing, desire for humans to sin knowing these would be the consequences?"
At the moment god was deciding what would happen in the future, god could have just chosen different, more desirable consequences, but instead, since the future is completely filled with sinning humans, the fact that god declared this from the beginning kind of seals the deal on this question.
I would like to have this debate happen in its intended entirety at some point, but thanks Con for the debate anyway.