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Curing or being delivered from homosexuality reinstates its former medical diagnostic status.
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After not so many votes...
It's a tie!
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Disclaimer : Regardless of the setup for voting win or lose, The aim of this interaction, Is for those that view it, Learn and or take away anything that will amount to any constructive value ultimately. So that counts as anything that'll cause one to reconsider an idea, Understand a subject better, Help build a greater wealth of knowledge getting closer to truth. When either of us has accomplished that with any individual here, That's who the victor of the debate becomes.
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Round 1
Based on the way the debates have been going, I'm going to go in a question and answer format.
What is a sexual orientation?
Can you cure a sexual orientation?
Was homosexuality back in the year 1973 before December of that year classified as a mental disorder?
Is homosexuality classified as a sexual orientation or is it actually a sexual orientation?
Would curing homosexuality reinstate, retract its former status as a mental disorder?
When it is then reinstated, how would that not prove that it's not a sexual orientation?
Now these questions are just to pick further at your attention on homosexuality leaving the curabilty aspect out.
Homosexuality is or was classified as a mental disorder. Why?
What does it mean when something is in disorder?
Is a mental disorder a sexual orientation?
Why would homosexuality be classified as a disorder?
Why was homosexuality tied to the mental faculty in particular as a disorder?
Being that this was tied to the mental faculty, was the conclusion that the thinking of engaging in sexual matters with the same sex is out of order with the design of the physical body? Why or why not?
What makes the sexual signals and stimuli in the mind of a homosexual in sync or in order with their physical body now?
Was there a discovery made about the reproductive sexual organs and fluids that is responsible for the declassification ?
Is it possible to debunk this new discovery to revert back to the former status of homosexuality?
That'll do for now. New questions may develop later.
Fine, I will answer your questions. I am gay, so this should be easy.
What is a sexual orientation?
Being gay. Its literally in the definition of a sexual orientation. Eh, people give too much meaning to words these days.
Can you cure a sexual orientation?
Cure means to remove a disease. So only if sexual orientation is a disease, then you can cure it.
Was homosexuality back in the year 1973 before December of that year classified as a mental disorder?
I dont know.
Is homosexuality classified as a sexual orientation or is it actually a sexual orientation?
Well, given that DEFINITION of SEXUAL ORIENTATION is:
Gay, straight or bi
I am pretty, sure that it is a sexual orientation since thats how definitions work.
Would curing homosexuality reinstate, retract its former status as a mental disorder?
You cannot cure homosexuality if it is not a disease.
When it is then reinstated, how would that not prove that it's not a sexual orientation?
I dont understand the question.
Maybe dont blindly believe whatever is reinstated, idk...
Now these questions are just to pick further at your attention on homosexuality leaving the curabilty aspect out.
Thank God.
Homosexuality is or was classified as a mental disorder. Why?
I dont know, I didnt make the classifications.
What does it mean when something is in disorder?
No, I dont know.
Is a mental disorder a sexual orientation?
Well, umm what?
Why would homosexuality be classified as a disorder?
Wait, you are asking me to make arguments for your case?
Why was homosexuality tied to the mental faculty in particular as a disorder?
People dumb. Thats why.
Being that this was tied to the mental faculty, was the conclusion that the thinking of engaging in sexual matters with the same sex is out of order with the design of the physical body? Why or why not?
Yes, I am pretty sure that was the conclusion. As for why, how would I know?
I am pretty, sure that it wasnt my conclusion.
What makes the sexual signals and stimuli in the mind of a homosexual in sync or in order with their physical body now?
Well, it makes penis hard.
Was there a discovery made about the reproductive sexual organs and fluids that is responsible for the declassification ?
Umm how would I know that????
Is it possible to debunk this new discovery to revert back to the former status of homosexuality?
I am pretty sure its YOUR job to make the argument against "new discovery".
I am just here to disagree.
I am pretty, sure that being gay is same as being straight. Both make pee pee feel good.
Round 2
"Being gay. Its literally in the definition of a sexual orientation. Eh, people give too much meaning to words these days."
But what is a sexual orientation?
"Cure means to remove a disease. So only if sexual orientation is a disease, then you can cure it."
What is the proof that sexual orientations can be one in the same with diseases?
"I am pretty, sure that it is a sexual orientation "
But is it actually a sexual orientation or classified as one?
It was classified as a disorder previously. Was there not a reclassification?
"Would curing homosexuality reinstate, retract its former status as a mental disorder?"
Please answer yes or no to this question.
"When it is then reinstated, how would that not prove that it's not a sexual orientation?
I dont understand the question."
Let's say someone had been cured of homosexuality or just cured period, would this prove the former classification of it being a disorder was not a misdiagnosis?
"Is a mental disorder a sexual orientation?
Well, umm what?"
Is a sexual orientation a mental disorder? Are the two the same?
These are easy questions. We're in a classroom. Not on a school playground.
"Wait, you are asking me to make arguments for your case? "
This is based on your knowledge on the history of homosexuality. Have you done any research or know anything about the past concerning homosexuality at all?
"People dumb. Thats why."
Is this your opinion?
"Yes, I am pretty sure that was the conclusion. As for why, how would I know?"
You would know if you took the time to educate yourself on the subject.
In all straightforwardness.
"Well, it makes penis hard."
Just as a disclaimer, the topics I take in all seriousness. I'm not on this site for fun but for edifying discussion. That's why I said this is not a playground.
"Umm how would I know that????"
Taking the time to educate yourself.
"I am pretty sure its YOUR job to make the argument against "new discovery". "
The argument and proof is curabilty my ignorant one.
"I am just here to disagree."
Ok not necessarily to debunk anything I say. I got you. Well there's always the readers that can take away from this.
"I am pretty, sure that being gay is same as being straight."
I appreciate your opinion for what it is as it's all it is.
Main point, driving back to the epicenter of the topic with this question.
.
Would curing homosexuality reinstate, retract its former status as a mental disorder?
But what is a sexual orientation?
Being gay, straight or bi.
What is the proof that sexual orientations can be one in the same with diseases?
Well, they are not mutually exclusive.
But is it actually a sexual orientation or classified as one?It was classified as a disorder previously. Was there not a reclassification?
It works the same as with pedophilia. People change their minds and accept it as not a disorder, but as something that should be tolerated and not attacked. But pedophilia is still seen as a disorder because people dont see the light yet.
"Would curing homosexuality reinstate, retract its former status as a mental disorder?"Please answer yes or no to this question.
No. I am opposing the topic, so I can only answer no to this one. Curing homosexuality would not make it a disorder because you cant cure homosexuality. Its not a disease.
"When it is then reinstated, how would that not prove that it's not a sexual orientation?I dont understand the question."
Let's say someone had been cured of homosexuality or just cured period, would this prove the former classification of it being a disorder was not a misdiagnosis?
No.
Is a sexual orientation a mental disorder? Are the two the same?
They are not the same. Sexual orientation is what turns you on. Whatever turns you on is your thing. It shouldnt be subject to some classification.
These are easy questions. We're in a classroom. Not on a school playground.
Okay. I hate school playgrounds anyway.
This is based on your knowledge on the history of homosexuality. Have you done any research or know anything about the past concerning homosexuality at all?
No, I never do research. And even if I do, I forget quickly everything I learn.
"People dumb. Thats why."Is this your opinion?
Yes, and I will stick to it.
You would know if you took the time to educate yourself on the subject.
But I didnt.
In all straightforwardness."Well, it makes penis hard."Just as a disclaimer, the topics I take in all seriousness. I'm not on this site for fun but for edifying discussion. That's why I said this is not a playground.
I am on this site for fun, yes.
Taking the time to educate yourself.
No.
The argument and proof is curabilty my ignorant one.
Okay, but where is the proof?
"I am just here to disagree."Ok not necessarily to debunk anything I say. I got you. Well there's always the readers that can take away from this.
I wouldnt place much hope in readers. Most of them are infected.
"I am pretty, sure that being gay is same as being straight."I appreciate your opinion for what it is as it's all it is.
How very nice, thank you.
Main point, driving back to the epicenter of the topic with this question..Would curing homosexuality reinstate, retract its former status as a mental disorder
No, homosexuality is not a disease.
There, I answered another series of questions.
Round 3
"Being gay, straight or bi."
These are supposedly all examples. Still not giving a detailed definition. Think about the question and maybe later, not necessarily in this topic, have a definition.
"Well, they are not mutually exclusive."
A sexual orientation and disease are not the same. Thank you.
One nail in the coffin.
"It works the same as with pedophilia. People change their minds and accept it as not a disorder, but as something that should be tolerated and not attacked. But pedophilia is still seen as a disorder because people dont see the light yet."
So homosexuality is technically classified as a sexual orientation but not necessarily actually one.
Another nail in the coffin.
"No. I am opposing the topic, so I can only answer no to this one. Curing homosexuality would not make it a disorder because you cant cure homosexuality. Its not a disease."
This contradicts with your position on disease and sexual orientation. You say no that curing homosexuality wouldn't reinstate its former status.
But when you cure something, it was a disease, was it not?
See the topic is not "can homosexuality be cured?". That's not the topic. The topic is not " Homosexuality is an illness ". The premise is given about curabilty. Curing something would make that something what?
The honest answer to that question is what it is. So for you to be consistent and honest, your answer has to be yes.
"Would curing homosexuality reinstate, retract its former status as a mental disorder?"
Honestly yes because curing something would make that something what?
Curing something would make that something what?
Very straightforward.
You're jumping ahead trying to defend homosexuality saying "well it can't be cured". That's not up for debate. I'm fair so if you want to have that debate, let me know.
"Let's say someone had been cured of homosexuality or just cured period, would this prove the former classification of it being a disorder was not a misdiagnosis?
No."
Do you care to explain why you say no or you don't know beyond that?
"They are not the same. Sexual orientation is what turns you on. Whatever turns you on is your thing. It shouldnt be subject to some classification."
Definition is still broad but I guess it's coming along.
"Okay, but where is the proof?"
Proof of what, the premise?
"There, I answered another series of questions."
Congratulations. I think it helped you to put more in effort in these topics.
I have a final question for that final nail.
Curing something would make that something what?
Great. More questions.
One nail in the coffin.
Yeah, I dont know what that even means.
Another nail in the coffin.
Whats even going on here?
But when you cure something, it was a disease, was it not?
No.
See the topic is not "can homosexuality be cured?". That's not the topic. The topic is not " Homosexuality is an illness ". The premise is given about curabilty. Curing something would make that something what?
Well, we will never know I guess.
The honest answer to that question is what it is. So for you to be consistent and honest, your answer has to be yes.
No, thats not how my position in this debate works.
"Would curing homosexuality reinstate, retract its former status as a mental disorder?"
Homosexuality is not a disorder.
Honestly yes because curing something would make that something what?
Its a mystery.
Curing something would make that something what?
Its a mystery.
Very straightforward.
No its not.
You're jumping ahead trying to defend homosexuality saying "well it can't be cured". That's not up for debate. I'm fair so if you want to have that debate, let me know.
I havent even finished this one, but okay.
Do you care to explain why you say no or you don't know beyond that?
Well, my explanation is that homosexuality is nice and isnt crazy. Why would anyone care what makes other man's penis hard?
"Okay, but where is the proof?"Proof of what, the premise?
Proof that homosexuality is a disease. Where is it?
Congratulations. I think it helped you to put more in effort in these topics.
Yeah, when I get questions, I tend to read them and think about them. I usually dont think about my opponent's arguments because thats voter's job. But I dont say no to an interview.
I have a final question for that final nail.Curing something would make that something what?
I guess we will never know.
Round 4
"No."
Oh so when you're curing somebody of a disease it's not really a disease. Is that right?
"Well, we will never know I guess."
So now you don't know what a cure is. Is that right?
"No, thats not how my position in this debate works."
Well keep the inconsistent position, that's your business.
"Would curing homosexuality reinstate, retract its former status as a mental disorder?"
"Homosexuality is not a disorder."
Wow you just won't answer yes or no to this question. I didn't even say it was a disorder in that question. The question asked about reverting it BACK to the status of being a disorder so obviously it's not classified as a disorder currently.
If you don't want to say yes or no, just say you refuse to answer. You're giving me something I did not ask, a non answer.
"Honestly yes because curing something would make that something what?
Its a mystery.
Curing something would make that something what?
Its a mystery.
Very straightforward.
No its not."
Anything you're not educated on would be not straightforward and a mystery. So then you take it as a joke. But jokes rebut nothing.
"Well, my explanation is that homosexuality is nice and isnt crazy. Why would anyone care what makes other man's penis hard?"
Well to give a sensible edifying answer, a straight woman would care. It's an essential element meant for her.
"Proof that homosexuality is a disease. Where is it?"
Oh curing it would prove it. Why? Curing something would make that something what? A disease.
Now if that's not plain and straightforward well...... maybe we can have another discussion later.
Keep in mind the topic is not homosexuality is a disease or disorder. It's that curabilty factor to it. We know the standard is true those of us that do, in what a cure is for.
Just like the factor of getting splashed with water solidifies your status of being wet.
You can try to argue you can't get wet because you can get out of the way of the splash or wear water resistant layers or waterproof gear. Not the debate on what can't be. I'm just stating the basic fundamental standard.
I know you're on the opposing side so maybe you link to any contrary point but stay within the context. This is just another one of those things that is irrefutable. The only possible argument you could of gave is proving that curabilty is not exclusive to ridding of health ailments.
"Yeah, when I get questions, I tend to read them and think about them. I usually dont think about my opponent's arguments because thats voter's job. But I dont say no to an interview."
Wow. So the way I did this all worked out. Very good.
"I guess we will never know."
This is pretty much communicating you don't know. I know because I know what a cure is and is meant for.
But you don't know.
This pretty much wraps it up. Any final thoughts on the topic or anything else outside of , bring them forth. We have two rounds left.
Oh so when you're curing somebody of a disease it's not really a disease. Is that right?
No, thats not what I said.
So now you don't know what a cure is. Is that right?
If position depends on it, yeah.
Well keep the inconsistent position, that's your business.
I will.
"Would curing homosexuality reinstate, retract its former status as a mental disorder?""Homosexuality is not a disorder."Wow you just won't answer yes or no to this question. I didn't even say it was a disorder in that question. The question asked about reverting it BACK to the status of being a disorder so obviously it's not classified as a disorder currently.
As I said, its not a disorder.
If you don't want to say yes or no, just say you refuse to answer. You're giving me something I did not ask, a non answer.
"Honestly yes because curing something would make that something what?Its a mystery.Curing something would make that something what?Its a mystery.Very straightforward.No its not."
Anything you're not educated on would be not straightforward and a mystery. So then you take it as a joke. But jokes rebut nothing.
Its a mystery.
"Well, my explanation is that homosexuality is nice and isnt crazy. Why would anyone care what makes other man's penis hard?"Well to give a sensible edifying answer, a straight woman would care. It's an essential element meant for her.
Sorry, my penis is not "meant for her". She doesnt even own my penis. I decide who gets my penis.
"Proof that homosexuality is a disease. Where is it?"Oh curing it would prove it. Why? Curing something would make that something what? A disease.
No.
Keep in mind the topic is not homosexuality is a disease or disorder. It's that curabilty factor to it. We know the standard is true those of us that do, in what a cure is for.
Cant cure it.
Just like the factor of getting splashed with water solidifies your status of being wet.
So its circular reasoning. Thank you.
You can try to argue you can't get wet because you can get out of the way of the splash or wear water resistant layers or waterproof gear. Not the debate on what can't be. I'm just stating the basic fundamental standard.
What?
I know you're on the opposing side so maybe you link to any contrary point but stay within the context. This is just another one of those things that is irrefutable. The only possible argument you could of gave is proving that curabilty is not exclusive to ridding of health ailments.
My position is that curing homosexuality is impossible, therefore negating the topic.
"Yeah, when I get questions, I tend to read them and think about them. I usually dont think about my opponent's arguments because thats voter's job. But I dont say no to an interview."Wow. So the way I did this all worked out. Very good.
Yeah.
"I guess we will never know."This is pretty much communicating you don't know. I know because I know what a cure is and is meant for.
So whats a cure?
But you don't know.
Its not in my interest to know.
This pretty much wraps it up. Any final thoughts on the topic or anything else outside of , bring them forth. We have two rounds left
Okay, so final thoughts:
Homosexuality is cool and homosexuals shouldnt be bullied.
Round 5
"So whats a cure?"
I'm going to quote what you said it was. You defined it and now act like you don't know.
You said and I quote:
"Cure means to remove a disease. "
Well golly that was sho-nough easy.
Cased closed.
No.
Topic is a true statement. Nobody is challenging it.
Its difficult to be gay when everyone judges you.