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Are you homosexual respectively engaging in a sexual relationship with a respective transgender?

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Disclaimer : Regardless of the setup for voting win or lose, The aim of this interaction, Is for those that view it, Learn and or take away anything that will amount to any constructive value ultimately. So that counts as anything that'll cause one to reconsider an idea, Understand a subject better, Help build a greater wealth of knowledge getting closer to truth. When either of us has accomplished that with any individual here, That's who the victor of the debate becomes.

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Round 1
Pro
#1
"Are you homosexual respectively engaging in a sexual relationship with a respective transgender?"

You being a male engaging in a sexual relationship with a transgender female , are you homosexual?

A sex change, changes what exactly?

The outside, not the inside. Are you homosexual respectively engaging in a sexual relationship with a respective transgender?

Unless scientists have figured out how to transplant genes, chromosomes and D.N.A., you're not completely a single sex .

Where can we draw the line as a basis for what sex a person is?

Is it just a feeling, identity election or something inherit?



I guess we have a hybrid situation. Half a sex. So part of the sex that's the same as yours is homo.

Are you homosexual respectively engaging in a sexual relationship with a respective transgender?

Yes.
Con
#2
If a guy says he is a girl, he is a girl. So no homo.

Round 2
Pro
#3
Do you care to answer all the questions or not?

They're not rhetorical. You seem to not make an effort to debate anymore so particularly with you I form these debates in question format.
Con
#4
My bad. I will answer the questions.

You being a male engaging in a sexual relationship with a transgender female , are you homosexual?
No, I am straight. She is a female. Well, if a guy looks like a girl, its not gay then too.

A sex change, changes what exactly?
Sex. It changes sex.

The outside, not the inside. Are you homosexual respectively engaging in a sexual relationship with a respective transgender?
No. On the inside, she is a girl. 

Unless scientists have figured out how to transplant genes, chromosomes and D.N.A., you're not completely a single sex 
She is a girl because thats what she wants to be. Genes dont matter. Chromosomes dont matter.

Where can we draw the line as a basis for what sex a person is?
Person can be whatever she wants to be.

Is it just a feeling, identity election or something inherit?
Its a wish, a feeling.



I guess we have a hybrid situation. Half a sex. So part of the sex that's the same as yours is homo.
No. Its not half a sex.

Are you homosexual respectively engaging in a sexual relationship with a respective transgender?
No, I am not.
Round 3
Pro
#5
"No, I am straight. She is a female. Well, if a guy looks like a girl, its not gay then too."

You say "if a guy looks like a girl". Are you saying if a guy which is male looks like a girl which is a female but is still actually a male, are you saying this wouldn't be a homosexual relationship being you're a male getting involved with such a person?

Is what only constitutes gender solely a look?

"Sex. It changes sex."

What exactly constitutes sex?

"The outside, not the inside. Are you homosexual respectively engaging in a sexual relationship with a respective transgender?

No. On the inside, she is a girl. "

You say no you're not homosexual so this means you're male. This isn't getting confusing is it? It's to be expected when talking about this. No disrespect to people back and forth on their gender identity.

"She is a girl because thats what she wants to be. Genes dont matter. Chromosomes dont matter."

If genes and chromosomes don't matter then why do these elements create the physical makeup of a gender?

Do you not know these are the building parts to development of everything else physically?

Do you not know XX is the identity of the chromosome that patterns for females?

Saying chromosomes don't matter is like saying our lungs don't matter. We need chromosomes in order to complete our organic development like we need our lungs for the ability of breathing.

"Person can be whatever she wants to be."

Are you saying the line is drawn for what a sex someone is by their desires?

Just trying to be specific and clear .

"Its a wish, a feeling."

Is what someone physically is existent or non existent?

"No. Its not half a sex."

Yes it is. I'm going to do just like how you respond but in opposition.

"No, I am not."

A person that has a working uterus identifies as male, you that are female that engages in a sexual relationship with them, this would not be a homosexual engagement would you say?



Con
#6
You say "if a guy looks like a girl". Are you saying if a guy which is male looks like a girl which is a female but is still actually a male, are you saying this wouldn't be a homosexual relationship being you're a male getting involved with such a person?
Well, I dont think it would be a homosexual relationship. If he looks like a girl, then what I am attracted to is a girl. I mean, other than penis, he is all girl.

Is what only constitutes gender solely a look?
Well, there are basically two things that each make a gender:
1. Looking like a girl
2. Wanting to look like a girl

As long as person has either of these two, me as a man being attracted to her is just not homosexual.

What exactly constitutes sex?
In women, 
Ability to give birth, women's specific face type and body type, and usually long hair
Or 
Desire to have those characteristics on your body.

You say no you're not homosexual so this means you're male.
Yes, I am male unfortunately.

If genes and chromosomes don't matter then why do these elements create the physical makeup of a gender?
They dont matter in what gender you are, as person can have male chromosomes and still be a female as long as she feels like it.

Do you not know these are the building parts to development of everything else physically?
I dont know, but thanks for telling me.

Do you not know XX is the identity of the chromosome that patterns for females?
No. Many males have XX chromosome. 

Its a common mistake that people make is, they see a penis and say its a boy. No! You dont know that. He didnt say what he is yet.
Gender is what person wants to be. Thats why person can have male chromosomes and still be a female.

Saying chromosomes don't matter is like saying our lungs don't matter. We need chromosomes in order to complete our organic development like we need our lungs for the ability of breathing.
I dont think you need some specific chromosomes to be a female. Both work just fine.

Are you saying the line is drawn for what a sex someone is by their desires?
Yes. Glad we agree.

Just trying to be specific and clear .
"Its a wish, a feeling."
Is what someone physically is existent or non existent?
I am not sure I understood this question.

Yes it is. I'm going to do just like how you respond but in opposition.
Well, good, thats good.

A person that has a working uterus identifies as male, you that are female that engages in a sexual relationship with them, this would not be a homosexual engagement would you say
No, it would not be homosexual. How would it be homosexual when one person says he is a male and the other person says she is a female?

Its straight sex.

Round 4
Pro
#7
"Well, I dont think it would be a homosexual relationship. If he looks like a girl, then what I am attracted to is a girl. I mean, other than penis, he is all girl."

You're male, he's all girl you say. Is "he" in reference to the male gender?

Is a male engaging in a sexual relationship with a male homosexuality?

"Well, there are basically two things that each make a gender:
1. Looking like a girl
2. Wanting to look like a girl

As long as person has either of these two, me as a man being attracted to her is just not homosexual."

So either of these two can classify you under homosexuality.

"In women, 
Ability to give birth, women's specific face type and body type, and usually long hair
Or 
Desire to have those characteristics on your body."

Cis-women have both of these characteristics. Physical traits and depending on whom you're sexually active with are all physical properties which classifies your engagement of sexuality.

"Yes, I am male unfortunately."

A male in a sexual relationship with another male that looks female, is that heterosexuality?

"If genes and chromosomes don't matter then why do these elements create the physical makeup of a gender?
They dont matter in what gender you are, as person can have male chromosomes and still be a female as long as she feels like it."

So these elements don't matter in creating our physical makeup. Are you being dishonest or ignoring the fact?

"I dont know, but thanks for telling me."

Well this explains your last response. Now that you do know, will you retract the statement of chromosomes not mattering?

"No. Many males have XX chromosome. "

Ok why?

"Its a common mistake that people make is, they see a penis and say its a boy. No! You dont know that. He didnt say what he is yet."

I'll explain so that there is understanding. Human sexual organs are classified into two separate categories. That's all. Like how cars and trucks are classified differently. Now people may choose to call things what they will. Such as a person referring to their truck as a car. It is interesting how I never hear a car being referred to as a truck. Likewise a baby is never referred to as an adult. I guess a line is drawn somewhere or else there'll be just too much confusion. 
But we have separate classifications for a reason. So we can properly identify when we communicate what we're talking about.

You say your friend is coming down to meet me, she'll meet me. I'm waiting and waiting and all I see are males walking by. I don't think to ask " am I meeting you?" because you identified your friend in a specific classification that doesn't match. Then you tell me "oh she's a she because that's how he identifies". Now you could of communicated all this initially but you'd still have to identify the actual physical classification . Then you can throw in the details about the personal preference on identity. But the basis can't be just thrown away. We get too far away from the foundation of the drawn line, we end up in a bunch of confusion and problems as illustrated in the example I gave.


"Gender is what person wants to be. Thats why person can have male chromosomes and still be a female."

Then why does the "Y" part of any chromosome exist?

It wouldn't exist at all.

There can be disorders in genes and mutations. Testosterone, estrogen levels out of order, hormones. There are chromosome disorders as well as physical ones.


"I dont think you need some specific chromosomes to be a female. Both work just fine."

There has to be a XX chromosome to have a healthy fully developed female.

"Yes. Glad we agree."

I'm confused. Why would the line not be drawn before what somebody desires what sex to be such as at the genes which would give to select hormones to setup certain desires to be the sex you are and attracted to the correct sex?

That we can as much agree on because it's only the truth. That is if you don't reject truth.

"Is what someone physically is existent or non existent?
I am not sure I understood this question."

A person that exists as a male is that physically because they physically exist as that. Is that true or false?

"Well, good, thats good."

It's good for me as my point was not refuted.


"No, it would not be homosexual. How would it be homosexual when one person says he is a male and the other person says she is a female?

Its straight sex."

Oh simple. Both persons have female organs, the uterus. To females engaging in sexuality is homo. Now you can call it something different because the two themselves call themselves something different. But then it's just a circus of semantics and bewilderment.

This is what I'm saying about the foundation of things. As you may notice, society just deviates and deviates and deviates from the order of things just mixing everything around according to personal whim. Well it is what is it but to keep things from getting too far out of view, too far gone and extreme losing touch, we refer back to actual physical reality. Gender has become a social construct like so called race and everything else and being trans racial. 

Like I say, it is what it is. You can change your name, modify your body. But when the questions come up about your originality and many of those original roots can't be uprooted, that's the truth and if you're for truth, you'll give truthful answers.


Con
#8
You're male, he's all girl you say. Is "he" in reference to the male gender?
No. He can be a girl.

Is a male engaging in a sexual relationship with a male homosexuality?
If male looks like a girl, then no. This reminds me of a Felix video on youtube. He looks like a girl, so having sex with him isnt gay.

So either of these two can classify you under homosexuality.
No.

Cis-women have both of these characteristics. Physical traits and depending on whom you're sexually active with are all physical properties which classifies your engagement of sexuality.
I think we are talking about trans girls.

A male in a sexual relationship with another male that looks female, is that heterosexuality?
Yes. I am attracted to girls. The guy looks like a girl. So I am attracted to him. Its not gay at all.

So these elements don't matter in creating our physical makeup. Are you being dishonest or ignoring the fact?
Well, having them doesnt matter about what gender he is.

Well this explains your last response. Now that you do know, will you retract the statement of chromosomes not mattering?
No.

"No. Many males have XX chromosome. "
Ok why?
I dont know.

I'll explain so that there is understanding. Human sexual organs are classified into two separate categories. That's all. Like how cars and trucks are classified differently. Now people may choose to call things what they will. Such as a person referring to their truck as a car. It is interesting how I never hear a car being referred to as a truck. Likewise a baby is never referred to as an adult. I guess a line is drawn somewhere or else there'll be just too much confusion. 
But we have separate classifications for a reason. So we can properly identify when we communicate what we're talking about.
Actually, boy and girl cannot be classified based on penis and vagina. What if boy loses penis? Is he no longer a boy? Thats mean.
Obviously, a boy is anyone who wants to have a penis, not just those who have it.

You say your friend is coming down to meet me, she'll meet me. I'm waiting and waiting and all I see are males walking by. I don't think to ask " am I meeting you?" because you identified your friend in a specific classification that doesn't match. Then you tell me "oh she's a she because that's how he identifies". Now you could of communicated all this initially but you'd still have to identify the actual physical classification . Then you can throw in the details about the personal preference on identity. But the basis can't be just thrown away. We get too far away from the foundation of the drawn line, we end up in a bunch of confusion and problems as illustrated in the example I gave.
Maybe you should ask.

Then why does the "Y" part of any chromosome exist?
How would I know?

It wouldn't exist at all.
Sure it would.

There can be disorders in genes and mutations. Testosterone, estrogen levels out of order, hormones. There are chromosome disorders as well as physical ones.
Sorry, I dont see how is that relevant.

There has to be a XX chromosome to have a healthy fully developed female.
But not for female. Female is anyone who wants to be a female.

I'm confused. Why would the line not be drawn before what somebody desires what sex to be such as at the genes which would give to select hormones to setup certain desires to be the sex you are and attracted to the correct sex?
I am not attracted to sex, thats weird. I am attracted to whats sexy. Not every girl is  sexy!!!

That we can as much agree on because it's only the truth. That is if you don't reject truth.
I will reject the truth, so we may continue.

"Is what someone physically is existent or non existent?
I am not sure I understood this question."
A person that exists as a male is that physically because they physically exist as that. Is that true or false?
A person that exists as male is either a person who has or wants to have male characteristics.


"No, it would not be homosexual. How would it be homosexual when one person says he is a male and the other person says she is a female?

Its straight sex."

Oh simple. Both persons have female organs, the uterus. To females engaging in sexuality is homo. Now you can call it something different because the two themselves call themselves something different. But then it's just a circus of semantics and bewilderment.
Its not semantics. Its called gender.

Also, for me to be homosexual, I would have to by definition be attracted to EVERY person of the same sex. Thats obviously not true. In fact, I think homosexuality doesnt exist because no one is attracted to every person of same sex.

This is what I'm saying about the foundation of things. As you may notice, society just deviates and deviates and deviates from the order of things just mixing everything around according to personal whim. Well it is what is it but to keep things from getting too far out of view, too far gone and extreme losing touch, we refer back to actual physical reality. Gender has become a social construct like so called race and everything else and being trans racial.
Society used to be evil, but now its becoming more cute than before.

Like I say, it is what it is. You can change your name, modify your body. But when the questions come up about your originality and many of those original roots can't be uprooted, that's the truth and if you're for truth, you'll give truthful answers
No.
Round 5
Pro
#9
"No. He can be a girl."

So the word "he" can be synonymous for "she". So ultimately these two pronouns mean the same thing.

So what do we do to avoid the confusion?

"If male looks like a girl, then no. This reminds me of a Felix video on youtube. He looks like a girl, so having sex with him isnt gay."

So a male engaging in sex with another male is not homosexual. I ask again how do we avoid confusion?

Homo means the same. A male that looks like a girl engaging in sex with a male is not homosexual or the same sex but that's what two males are, the same sex. 

"So either of these two can classify you under homosexuality.
No."

Yes. No counterpoint from you. Nothing for me to counter.

"I think we are talking about trans girls."

Trans people still are what they are as Cis people physically. My point still stands...

"Yes. I am attracted to girls. The guy looks like a girl. So I am attracted to him. Its not gay at all."

The part of the person that is still what it is technically classified you as homosexual. Why? You're still referring to the person as a guy(male). The part that is still there to give you reason to refer to the person as a guy still is there. This is why I brought up about the hybrid earlier. You're calling a guy that looks like a girl a guy still. That's two different properties in one, a hybrid.

"Well, having them doesnt matter about what gender he is."

Yup the facts don't matter, you can ignore them. That is the logic of liberalism. Not debating that, just identifying it for what it is.

"Well this explains your last response. Now that you do know, will you retract the statement of chromosomes not mattering?
No."

Of course you keep on rejecting those facts to be consistent for your position. Just like you say chromosomes don't matter for what role they play getting no credit, it doesn't matter the fact of semen implants in the female ovum and not the anus.

The line is drawn at personal wishes like things exist or started to exist by personal will like it existed before anything else. Gives me an idea for a topic.

"I dont know."

Being that you don't know why a male would have an XX chromosome, you would not have any ground to counter this as you have no basis of knowledge to counter with. It's called a disorder just like a physical disorder of being born with certain physical parts.

"Actually, boy and girl cannot be classified based on penis and vagina. What if boy loses penis? Is he no longer a boy? Thats mean.
Obviously, a boy is anyone who wants to have a penis, not just those who have it."

Interesting counterpoints. But classifications exist. They exist based on something. Like the classification of Europeans or Siberian tigers. These are labels based on something. Based upon a commonality, individuals are placed into categorized groups.

What if somebody or being loses a physical trait that identifies their category? How are they still in that category or are they still in it ?

A person that is burned or disfigured, they still have D.N.A. that identifies their European ancestry. Their eye color, everything else, their genes and chromosomes help to identify. So again chromosomes matter.

"Obviously, a boy is anyone who wants to have a penis, not just those who have it."

Now you're jumping back to something physical that classifies you which is my point. 

"Maybe you should ask."

In a state of confusion, you gotta ask questions. My point exactly.

"How would I know?"

You know by how you know all things you know, get educated. I think I gave this answer before. Whenever you come to this question, remember this response. This way you can just eliminate that question. Same answer every time. Fact.

"Sure it would."

Sure it wouldn't.

"Sorry, I dont see how is that relevant."

You don't know why the Y chromosome exists so of course you don't see the relevancy.

"But not for female. Female is anyone who wants to be a female."

You couldn't disprove that XX chromosomes create the full development of the female gender so my point still stands.

"I am not attracted to sex, thats weird. I am attracted to whats sexy. Not every girl is sexy!!!

I don't see how this answered my question about genes that setup our development so I take the response as a deflection.

"I will reject the truth, so we may continue."

Not too many acknowledge they do directly so I appreciate the transparency.

"A person that exists as male is either a person who has or wants to have male characteristics."

But the person does exist with physical male characteristics. Now you may reject that. But in all honesty, if you were to ask me what am I physically looking at, if I'm going to tell you the truth, I'm going to tell you what I'm physically looking at regardless of what I'm looking at calling themselves what they want to call themselves.


"No, it would not be homosexual. How would it be homosexual when one person says he is a male and the other person says she is a female?

Its straight sex."

For transparency, a physical male and female in sexuality is heterosexual.

"Its not semantics. Its called gender."

Semantic means word. The word gender is obviously that, a word.

"Also, for me to be homosexual, I would have to by definition be attracted to EVERY person of the same sex. Thats obviously not true. In fact, I think homosexuality doesnt exist because no one is attracted to every person of same sex."

Well that's for you. No ad hocs now.

"Society used to be evil, but now its becoming more cute than before."

Is this a joke?


"No."

You're saying no as you reject the truth.

Fine debate comrade. Won't be before long we'll be doing this again.

Con
#10
Okay.