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Gay sex should not be accepted by society
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Round 1
Pro
#1
Lets look at different ways in which gays harm society, and why gay sex should not be accepted:
1. Reduction in birth rates
Accepting gays consistently results in drop of birth rates after just few years.
There is almost no country which didnt experience strong drop in birth rates after some time after accepting homosexuality.
Countries with highest birth rates are very often those which value marriages and discourage homosexuality.
To make it simple, homosexuality destroys a part of future generations and their freedom as well as their life.
2. Slippery slope towards pedophilia
In the distant past, most societies which were tolerant of gays were also tolerant of pedo relationships.
Homosexuals are already trying to introduce sexual indoctrination in schools and force it on children.
There is no way to justify trans castration of children being okay when its clearly harmful, while at the same time condemning pedophilia.
3. Destroying family values
Traditional family, which is most perfect family for society, is no longer being encouraged.
Homosexuals and bisexuals who would otherwise be rejected or be forced to form traditional families are now encouraged to form homosexual relationships.
This particularly affects those who would with such encouragement engage in homosexual relationships, where otherwise they would stay away from it and keep with traditional relationships.
We see that percentage of people engaged in traditional relationships drops as homosexuality is accepted.
4. Causing wrath of God
Revealed Gods, such as Jesus, Allah or Jewish God, are all strongly against homosexuality.
This means that with billions of followers of those religions, there will always be conflict between them and homosexuals, as they are in contradiction.
Since homosexuals are minority, it follows that needs of the many outweigh needs of the few.
5. Historical failure of homosexual societies
There is no doubt that historically, societies accepting of homosexuality ended up being replaced by societies which were disapproving of it.
My opponent might say that societies condemning homosexuals are being replaced by societies accepting them, but the argument of birth rates works in favor of condemning homosexuals.
Societies which accept homosexuals will be greatly outproduced by societies which dont accept homosexuals.
6. It spreads
There is lots of evidence to support that homosexuality spreads when accepted.
There are 5 ways it spreads:
-1. Decrease in amount of traditional relationships
-2. Decrease in amount of traditional families
-3. Increase in public display of homosexuality
-4. Pushing into homosexual relationships those who would not be in them if they were discouraged
-5. Making children more likely to develop homosexuality and engage in it as they are exposed to it as something positive
1 and 2 and 3 are well supported facts, but 4 and 5 isnt unsupported either, as we only see evidence of homosexuality increasing once accepted.
7. Diseases
Any country tolerant of homosexuals has a lot more STD than countries which are based on traditional family values.
Even tho advanced countries developed healthcare to fight against STD epidemic caused by homosexuality, it is obviously an unnecessary pain for many people and an additional drain on healthcare.
8. Natural disgust and upsetting people
Homosexuality upsets lots of people. Its unavoidable. By encouraging children to come out as gay or trans, all you do is make those children a target for bullying by other children.
9. It needs to indoctrinate children to maintain itself
Every country which accepted homosexuality has eventually moved to indoctrinate children how homosexuality cant be accepted.
10. It causes mass depression
Homosexuality is related to depression because once it becomes more accepted, it adds to disagreement in society, and adds to verbal attacks on homosexuals which works against homosexuals as well.
"Depression is a major cause of morbidity and mortality in the United States. What is added by this report? During 2020, 18.4% of U.S. adults reported having ever been diagnosed with depression; state-level age-standardized estimates ranged from 12.7% in Hawaii to 27.5% in West Virginia."
11. It causes increase in suicides
An acceptance of homosexuality was always related with rise in suicide rates in countries which accepted it.
Take example of even poor religious countries such as Afghanistan having less suicide rates than advanced countries which have accepted homosexuality.
"According to the data given by the World Bank, in 2019, the suicide rate in Afghanistan was reported to be 4.1 per 100,000 population and specifically the female suicide rate was 3.6 per 100,000 population."
"From 2000 to 2020, more than 800,000 people died by suicide in the United States, with males representing 78.7% of all suicides that happened between 2000 and 2020. In 2022, a record high 49,500 people died by suicide, while the suicide rate in 2022 reached its highest level since 1941 at 14.3 per 100,000 persons."
"Although primarily based on opportunistic samples, prior research suggests that gay men, lesbians, and bisexual persons have higher rates of suicidal ideation, suicide attempts, and completed suicides than do heterosexual individuals.
Lifetime prevalence rates of serious suicidal ideation ranging from 24% to 41% have been reported, along with lifetime prevalence rates of suicide attempts ranging from 7% to 20% among adult gay men and lesbians.
1–3 Studies of gay, lesbian, and bisexual youths have reported levels of attempted suicide ranging from 20% to 40%, with rates in some special subpopulations (e.g., street youth, GLB youths who have been victims of violent assault) being even higher.4–12"
12. It makes society focused on sexual sins
Homosexuality was always about sexual things. Traditional societies in the past made their sexuality secret.
But homosexuality is focused on making sexuality open and in the public.
13. It promotes harmful liberty
Since homosexuality is either useless or harmful to society, it follows that any liberty which is similar in those two must also be accepted, such as fetishes, gay porn...
14. It forces legalization of the whole series of harmful things
Because homosexuality is based on a premise that things should be accepted even if they are useless or harmful, this leads to a whole series of legalizations, from abortions, drugs, trans treatments for minors...
In fact, homosexuality comes with LGBTQ and more, meaning it changes entire society on a series of issues.
"Six-in-ten Republicans and those who lean toward the Republican Party (60%) say abortion should be illegal in all or most cases.
By contrast, 80% of Democrats and those who lean toward the Democratic Party say abortion should be legal in all or most cases."
Democrats by being pro-LGBT naturally accepted position of pro-abortion.
"In 2021, about 42,000 children and teens across the United States received a diagnosis of gender dysphoria, nearly triple the number in 2017, according to data Komodo compiled for Reuters.
Gender dysphoria is defined as the distress caused by a discrepancy between a person’s gender identity and the one assigned to them at birth.
Overall, the analysis found that at least 121,882 children ages 6 to 17 were diagnosed with gender dysphoria from 2017 through 2021.
Reuters found similar trends when it requested state-level data on diagnoses among children covered by Medicaid, the public insurance program for lower-income families."
15. Destroying marriage
Homosexuality comes with freedoms in which anyone is allowed to be or not be with anyone who also wants it.
This causes a strong rise in divorces, because giving freedom to divorce comes with homosexuality.
In USA, over 50% of marriages end in divorce. Same is true for overwhelming majority of countries which tolerate homosexuality.
Divorce destroys families, and any children from such families are more suicidal, more depressed, more likely to abuse themselves with substances or alcohol.
There are no benefits for such children.
"So, what about the famous statistic that half of all marriages end in divorce? That’s true, but only when it comes to first marriages, half of which are dissolved. Second and third marriages actually fail at a far higher rate."
In USA, despite that gay marriages became legal, marriage rate is decreasing compared to decades before.
It seems that the more society accepts gay sex and all other fetishes, the marriages and families slowly collapse.
16. Homosexual relationships cannot reproduce
Encouraging relationships which cannot result in offspring will always be a waste of society's resources, therefore accepting them means to accept waste of resources.
17. Accepting homosexuals harms homosexuals
Accepting homosexuals causes them to kill themselves, practice anal sex which is harmful for health or get a disease.
It is much better for homosexual to stay in the closet and pretend to be straight.
He will have a good life and people wont bully him because they wont know that he is not normal.
From these reasons, we see that gay sex should not be accepted by society.
Con
#2
First off, my opinion:
Accepting homosexuality is not only the best option, but the only option.
The LGBTQ+ movement is here, and there is nothing straight people can do to stop it.
These are all the points you brought up:
1. Reduction in birth rates
You assume that a reduction in birth rates is a bad thing, but a reduction in birth rates could help curb global warming.
2. Slippery slope towards pedophilia
This is denigratory towards homosexuals.
Yes, In the distant past, most societies which were tolerant of gays were also tolerant of pedo relationships.
Reminder: We live in the 21st century.
3. Destroying family values
You never gave me a reason for why a traditional family is the 'perfect' family for society.
4. Causing wrath of God
I know Christians who support homosexuality.
Plus, there are Jews and Muslims who support homosexuality as well.
God taught us to be kind to everybody, and I learned that in Sunday school at the age of 7.
5. Historical failure of homosexual societies
Counterpoint: on average, developed nations have a greater LGBTQ+ population. (link)
6. It spreads
Every social justice movement spreads, that's how change happens.
"It spreads" sounds like the title to a bad horror movie.
7. Diseases
Gay men are more likely to contract STD's. That is a valid point.
8. Natural disgust and upsetting people
I am sorry you are uncomfortable with gay sex, but you don't have to watch.
9. It needs to indoctrinate children to maintain itself
People explore their sexuality as children. It's okay.
10. It causes mass depression
Accepting yourself is best for your mental health.
11. It causes increase in suicides
Homosexuals commit suicide more often than heterosexuals because Homosexuals are shamed for the way they are.
The solution to this problem is simple, society should just accept Homosexuality.
12. It makes society focused on sexual sins
Define 'sexual sin'
Does 'sexual sin' translate to GAY SHIT
Again, you don't have to watch.
13. It promotes harmful liberty
Accepting homosexuality does not mean accepting gay porn.
14. It forces legalization of the whole series of harmful things
Accepting homosexuality does not mean accepting abortions, drugs, trans treatments for minors, etc.
15. Destroying marriage
A gay man marries a straight woman. Do you think that will result in a happy marriage?
16. Homosexual relationships cannot reproduce
People can benefit society without reproducing.
17. Accepting homosexuals harms homosexuals
Homosexuals commit suicide more often than heterosexuals because Homosexuals are shamed for the way they are.
Gay men who pretend to be straight aren't very good sexual partners either. Most women will know if their husband is 'secretly' gay.
Solution: accept homosexuality
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