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Topic
#5332
Divination is 100% useful and scientifically accurate
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The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.
Winner & statistics
After 1 vote and with 3 points ahead, the winner is...
RationalMadman
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- 10,000
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- Two weeks
- Point system
- Multiple criterions
- Voting system
- Open
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Contender / Con
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1709
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Round 1
A strong opponent!
Divination is based on predicting future and asking if you should do something you are uncertain about.
There are many forms of it:
1. Crystal ball
2. Tarot
3. Playing cards
4. Dice
5. Horoscope
6. Coin flip
Lets take tarot and cards for example.
Tarot has usually 50% cards meaning yes and 50% of cards meaning no.
In other cases, it has 1/3 cards yes, 1/3 cards no, and 1/3 cards maybe.
So tarot has 50% chance of being right in cases where things have 50% chance of occuring.
Thats scientifically accurate.
Most people make wrong decisions most of the time, so tarot can help them fix that.
Tarot also has card meanings, which give advice or warn of danger, so person becomes more careful and thinks about his actions.
Since most people are stupid and dont think about their actions, tarot is very useful for them and will likely in most cases make better decisions than they will.
Divination is based on predicting future and asking if you should do something you are uncertain about.
It is not based on this, this is what it claims it can enable you to do.
It's defined as
the art or practice that seeks to foresee or foretell future events or discover hidden knowledge usually by the interpretation of omens or by the aid of supernatural powers
Thus, it is instead based on:
- Interpretation of omens
- the aid of supernatural powers
There are many forms of it:1. Crystal ball2. Tarot3. Playing cards4. Dice5. Horoscope6. Coin flipLets take tarot and cards for example.Tarot has usually 50% cards meaning yes and 50% of cards meaning no.In other cases, it has 1/3 cards yes, 1/3 cards no, and 1/3 cards maybe.
33.33...%
So tarot has 50% chance of being right in cases where things have 50% chance of occuring.
not 100%
Thats scientifically accurate.Most people make wrong decisions most of the time, so tarot can help them fix that.Tarot also has card meanings, which give advice or warn of danger, so person becomes more careful and thinks about his actions.Since most people are stupid and dont think about their actions, tarot is very useful for them and will likely in most cases make better decisions than they will.
Round 2
Its 100% useful, because I can use it to make decisions which are random.
It takes the guessing work away.
For example, if I cant decide which game to play, I just ask tarot and he tells me.
And if I am uncertain about some decision, I just ask tarot to decide for me.
Forfeited
Round 3
Forfeited
Divination is 100% useful
This was not proven. In fact, Pro conceded that it's only useful 50% of the time and useless the other 50% and you have no way to know which until it's too late.
andscientifically accurate
Pro has not remotely explained how it's scientifically accurate, this remains unproven.
Please note that both had to be proven for Pro to win because it's an 'and' debate resolution not an 'or' one.
I think I won this debate, and really people should just ignore my opponent's last round and just vote for me based on that.
"I am not sure if its good to allow me the freedom to troll people and debate offensive things and mock all values.
Sure, I like that freedom, but I am not sure if I would be able to defend that such freedom is good for society.
The only good thing which can possibly come from my freedom of speech is somehow convincing people to legalize child marriages again so that birth rates go back up again.
But I am just one individual. Most people use their freedom of speech for harming society's survival.
Thats why you see countries like Afghanistan rising in population where Japan is about to go extinct because people are so free that they dont wanna sacrifice their freedom and have children.
In western societies, it becomes very beneficial to not reproduce or have just one child, because the amount of money and free time you save is huge.
Its a contradiction in society where survival of society is negated by freedom of individuals.
The only thing society with freedom has is lots of people moving to it, sometimes, to negate decline in birth rates.
Thats possibly the only argument I can come up with, but it doesnt apply to all countries with freedom, just some.
Population of Japan is both decreasing and aging, and its birth rates are almost non-existent, as out of 4 women, one has 2 children and the other 3 are childless."
Good analogy
and rational
People do debates in Islamic countries. Debating and insulting are two different things. I do a lot of debates within Islamic traditions and it's natural if you see opposition from other parties. It's a normal course of action and it's common everywhere in the world. you cannot see people removing the face veil in France. There are consequences to some aspects of the world. It depends on what the society considers sacred or valuable and needs harsh measures to protect. If someone says that some part of the world is bad or different then it's all fake perception. We live in peace and people in our countries are not that powerful, instead, they are made weak and they are weak. They are put in desperate situations to think about survival, they cannot afford to cause chaos or threaten people. While I admit that they could and do cross the limit and put anything else behind on some matters and ready to do anything for that. But other than that someone should not exaggerate these things that much. I am using this website in an Islamic country. it's not been banned or anything else. Its a long topic and I can say a lot about it. but think it should be enough to get the idea of what I am talking about.
Indeed bro
I am not sure if its good to allow me the freedom to troll people and debate offensive things and mock all values.
Sure, I like that freedom, but I am not sure if I would be able to defend that such freedom is good for society.
The only good thing which can possibly come from my freedom of speech is somehow convincing people to legalize child marriages again so that birth rates go back up again.
But I am just one individual. Most people use their freedom of speech for harming society's survival.
Thats why you see countries like Afghanistan rising in population where Japan is about to go extinct because people are so free that they dont wanna sacrifice their freedom and have children.
In western societies, it becomes very beneficial to not reproduce or have just one child, because the amount of money and free time you save is huge.
Its a contradiction in society where survival of society is negated by freedom of individuals.
The only thing society with freedom has is lots of people moving to it, sometimes, to negate decline in birth rates.
Thats possibly the only argument I can come up with, but it doesnt apply to all countries with freedom, just some.
Population of Japan is both decreasing and aging, and its birth rates are almost non-existent, as out of 4 women, one has 2 children and the other 3 are childless.
Then don't be a vile backstabber to the societies allowing you the freedom.
I know that islam has many laws limiting free speech.
Try your debates in an islamic country, rest in peace.
You are a strong debater, and Islam is generally difficult to argue against since Islam as a whole improves society, its birth rates, reduces STDs...
You can understand that no one can seriously argue that western/christian countries are perfect to live in, when they are far from it.
if anyone on site has to instigate any debate against Islam, he or she shall instigate against me.
I might come up with some excuse so you dont have to read his arguments to vote for me.
Or just pretend that some of my arguments outweigh all of his.
Maybe you can say it’s useful to you (for some reason) but I don’t see how it’s scientifically accurate