Instigator / Pro
25
1524
rating
11
debates
77.27%
won
Topic
#5396

Con is a piece of shit

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
9
3
Better sources
8
8
Better legibility
4
4
Better conduct
4
3

After 4 votes and with 7 points ahead, the winner is...

WyIted
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Rated
Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
Two days
Max argument characters
200
Voting period
Two weeks
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Minimal rating
None
Contender / Con
18
1517
rating
9
debates
44.44%
won
Description

Rules

1. Only a piece of shit can accept this debate
2. If you accept the debate and are not a piece of shit you have violated rule one and will be disqualified. Judges are instructed to vote pro if that happens

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Shouldn't have accepted this debate.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Conduct for calling Wylted a turd and violating rules of the debate (actually it's only for the turd comment but I'm trying to sound dramatic).

The problem with this debate is it is a truism due to the rule structure. Con can keep arguing that Pro has to prove he is a piece of shit but Pro wins even if he loses because Con violates rule 1.

Where Con went wrong is honestly in clicking accept, I can't think of why this debate is allowed.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Rule violations are typically separate from the actual resolution...it's usually up to voters to determine whether they have been violated.

Pro essentially wins this debate by proving that Con is following the rules of the debate. By the end, it's unclear whether Con has violated said rule. Hence, I can't disqualify Con. As Pro points out, it is either the case that Con broke the rule or that the resolution is true. But Pro doesn't win automatically if the resolution is true, they only win if they prove the resolution to be true (which did not happen). Con wins by pointing out Pro's burden of proof and then not taking a position on the resolution.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

PRO puts CON in a double bind. Either he is a piece of shit (in which case he loses due to the resolution being true) or he is not a piece of shit (in which case he loses due to rule 1 and 2).

CON failed to argue against either situation, nor did he Kritik the topic or rules as being unfair, so PRO easily gets the win. He claims that PRO hasn't proved either situation, but that's what a double bind is for - no matter what is true, one side wins under both interpretations.