Instigator / Pro
6
1499
rating
51
debates
36.27%
won
Topic
#5538

Make it illegal for people to drive in Fully self-driving cars in most cases

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
0
9
Better sources
4
6
Better legibility
2
3
Better conduct
0
3

After 3 votes and with 15 points ahead, the winner is...

Intelligence_06
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Rated
Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
One week
Max argument characters
4,000
Voting period
One month
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Minimal rating
None
Contender / Con
21
1737
rating
172
debates
73.26%
won
Description

Burden of Proof is shared

Pro: In the vast majority of cases, fully self driving cars should not be allowed to be driven by people. Once they get in and start the car, setting specific destinations or requirements, the AI will take over and not allow them to drive. If the human is caught driving the car themself, they will be fined for a certain amount of money. Using the software to change the destination does not count as the human driving

Con: In the vast majority of cases we shouldn't punish people for driving their fully self driving cars

Round 1
Pro
#1
Forfeited
Con
#2
Due to character limits I cannot quote the entire description, but look at it. All of what I can assume is what Pro intended to put as additional background information is instead put in his position. Therefore, instead of treating them like pre-set assumptions, we treat them as statements up in the air waiting to be proven by Pro. Pro would have to prove all of these separately from one another.

  • In the vast majority of cases, fully self driving cars should not be allowed to be driven by people. No problems with this, but good luck proving it.
  • Once they get in and start the car, setting specific destinations or requirements, the AI will take over and not allow them to drive. Will? This would exclude any case in which the AI or the car ceases to function properly. If the engines are broken, AI will be unable to take over and "bar them from driving".
  • If the human is caught driving the car themself, they will be fined for a certain amount of money. Pro has to also prove why fining is the sole optimal form of punishment for this "crime".
  • Using the software to change the destination does not count as the human driving. Why not? This goes against the definition of "driving" which comes later.
"Driving"
Since Pro did not define driving in his description (I have no idea how he has not learned yet) but rather put it in his position where it is his burden to prove that that is the correct interpretation, it essentially makes it perfectly allowed for me to prove that he is wrong, or at least in more rigorous terminology, more reliable sources disagree with him. Pro had sourced nothing, so far.

Driving, in this context, is a variant of Drive(verb):
to move or travel on land in a motor vehicleespecially as the person controlling the vehicle's movement:
While this may seem like what Pro may have had in mind, we have to make a few things clear:
  • Whether the person is the sole controller of the vehicle is not a hard requirement for whether it is "driving" or not, as evidenced by "especially"
  • "Controlling" is vague. Is mechanical transmission a requirement, or is electrical transmission enough? If the strict former, then no person can steer a Tesla Cybertruck due to its steer-by-wire system with no mechanical transmission. That is absurd.
    • If an array of analog electrical signals counts as driving(intuitively), so is the electrical signal via pressing a single button. I instructed what the car should do next with 1 button, I controlled it. That is driving.
    • If such is not driving, then spotify is not "playing music" due to their tracks being pre-recorded as opposed to carved by your strokes; then using a rice-cooker will cease to be "making a meal" just because the machine automated most of the process despite you telling the machine what to do; then asking Alexa is not "turning on the lights" as Alexa is what actually controlled the electrical network upon your instruction. Such is absurd. If I specifically tell the machine what to do, I am operating it. Even pressing 1 button as an instruction to the engine, by definition, would count as driving. Therefore, not allowing humans to drive an "automated car" is in of itself an oxymoron and should be regarded as impossible. This proves my position.
"Law"
Of course, Pro may have intended to prove the possibility of a fully automated AI car that never, NEVER requires external help. Problem: If any instance of such cars break, human intervention is required, making it not "fully automated". So, Pro asked to make an unbreakable car, which is about impossible.

Even if we use "If human intervention is required, it is not fully self driving", it would make this law completely moot as it concerns a total of zero current and potential cases, the same way for a proposal to "Kill Batman when he arrives". It is just not worth it to add that onto the law.

Come again.

Round 2
Pro
#3
ded vote con
Con
#4
sure, thats fine by me too
Round 3
Pro
#5
Forfeited
Con
#6
Happy 4th birthday to my account.