Instigator / Pro
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1266
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119
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Topic
#606

You don't know what socialism is (for right wingers only)

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
0
6
Better sources
4
2
Better legibility
2
2
Better conduct
1
2

After 2 votes and with 5 points ahead, the winner is...

GuitarSlinger
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
Three days
Max argument characters
30,000
Voting period
One week
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
12
1435
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15
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33.33%
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Description

No information

Vote Reported: Wrick-it-Ralph // Mod Action: Removed

Points awarded: 2 points to pro for sources and 1 point for conduct

RFD:

I found that neither side presented sufficient evidence. Pro was basically playing a zero sum game that gave a tie in this section at best. Con did not take the proper steps to show that there was an understanding of the term in question "socialism". Con simply quoted a definition several times verbatim. This does not show an understand. Con would have simply had to provide a few basic examples of the word socialism in a sentence and this debate would have been an easy vote for me.

Pro provided relevant sources and Con provided zero sources.

Reason for mod action:

(1) In order to award a source point, the voter must:
Explain, on balance, how each debater's sources impact the debate
Directly evaluate at least one source in particular cited in the debate and explain how it either bolstered or weakened the argument it was used to support

Must explain how and why one debater's use of sources overall was superior to the other's

(2) The conduct point is sufficient.

The voter fails to do this thus his vote is removed.

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@Type1

@Type1

**** Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterized by social ownership of the means of production and workers' self-management,[10] as well as the political theories and movements associated with them. Social ownership can be public, collective or cooperative ownership, or citizen ownership of equity. There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them, with social ownership being the common element shared by its various forms. ***

I don't need to explain WHAT ABOUT collective ownership of the means production leads to government control. Honestly, I don't know what it is about socialism that leads to government control. Can socialism lead to other types of control besides government control? Sure. I'm not saying it doesn't. What I said typically, how does "community control" manifest itself? The government controlling it.

I'm curious.....what are some other means, besides government control, would/does a socialist advocate for the society to control the means of production? In what other ways could a society control the means of production?

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@GuitarSlinger

I apologize for missing this round but your argument required no rebuttal anyway. You should attempt to clarify what about collective ownership of the means of production necessarily leads to government control in this round.

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@Type1

As of right now, you have a little more then an hour left to post your argument.

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@Type1

You're liberal and no offense but your all alone.

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@Alec

How do you figure?

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@Type1

Your best represented by Hawaii.

None of the US states represent me in any way.

You outrank Bsh 1 in terms of this site alone and California has more people then New York, therefore is more prominent of a state. My system combines ideology with rank on this site although exceptions exist.

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@Alec

Wrong. Bsh1 is Cali, I am NY. If you get to know our politics, you'll see that this is severely true.

Actually I am Nevada more so than NY culturally but in terms of overall politics, I am more NY than many particular laws in Nevada.

I'd say I am NY>Nevada>Cali>NJ>Colorado

The rest are too unlike me to even count.

I saved NY to represent Bsh1.

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@Alec

Yeah, I consider myself more a NY than Cali but second place for sure.

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@blamonkey

I think I am a Texas too. RM is California, since he thinks he liberal like California. He also thinks he is better then all of us, and California (stereotypically) thinks they are too good for the US.

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@Alec

Thanks! I was talking about you though. I don't think population is the same as greatness. I am guessing that you are Texas, since you asked.

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@blamonkey

But Kentucky isn't a prominent state and Florida is. Your #2, soon to be #3 on this site. You should be represented by a more populous state.

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@Alec

Kentucky. I say this mostly because of Rand Paul being a senator from there.

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@Alec

You could, but then I would have suffered the harm of stereotype as well as the harm of being thought of as Wyoming-like. I’d rather have a Colorado-off with the poseur in my way. I’ll take Virginia in the interrem. ( Yes, this is also humor, Alec)

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@oromagi

Colorado is taken. I could use Wyoming for you.

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@blamonkey

Your Florida. In elections, your a prominent state and your a political moderate, just like Florida. Guess what state I used to represent me?

A. I’ll take Colorado because I am that square.

B. What does right-winger even mean these days? Are these labels clearly defining a certain set of values that everybody generally agrees. I’m not so sure right-wing or left-wing mean much specific or certain in the Age of Trump.

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@Alec

Perhaps, what state would I be? I think that I am in a state of perpetual confusion, but that's just me.

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@blamonkey

Do you think I should make a forum post that compares DART users to states in the US?

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@blamonkey

Funny.

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@oromagi

I guess you could say that you were being... a smart-Aleck.

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@Alec

I know Alec- I was just being a smart ass

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@oromagi

I was saying that I don't have enough time to debate this. I thought Type1 wanted me to accept this debate.

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@oromagi

Lmfao.

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@Alec

Is that “ you don’t know what Socialism is” ( spring breakers only) or “ you don’t know what Spring Break is” ( right wingers only)?

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@Type1

Make this debate spring break and I might accept. I think I'm too busy to accept debates.