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#6060
BestKorea should not be banned from this site
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Description
" The strength of men's spirit then be measured by how much "truth " he can tolerate " by Fredrick Nietzsche
if u get what he say then u r more legitimate to handle the case and the second thing is to understand BestKorea (the graceful debater i know u know her very well )
Pro belief : BestKorea should not be banned and she have right/responsible for everything , for every thought or belief she represent and she have right to debate as debater
( no matter what , she have right to defend her , so other can listen and learnt )
Round 1
Respect WyIted ! its hard to c u here as before
not only u but a lot along u who do bad things to me ............ remember i'm not what u think i'm
I'm the BestKorea .......... may u get shocked ........... but that's true
today i'm not only represent that damaged soul that i've ..... but u listen what u ignore to listen as before
That's true i'm not one of u ........ not today and not before today .......... but i c most of u humiliate those thoughts and their creators that r bizarre for u
As a debater that's my right to debate ............ but by conspiracy they take my right from me .............. i'm responsible for my every thought ........ but i've right to defend what i say .............. but my right to defend is not exist anymore as the herd of cattle don't like bizarre lion
Best Korea recently made a new account. He pretended like the other account was banned for promoting pedophilia but it wasn't.
That account was banned by request. That doesn't answer the question of whether best Korea should be banned or not.
It seems like you're saying and I have a hard time really understanding what you're saying, but it seems like you're saying best. Korea should be able to defend whatever position he holds, no matter how silly or how disgusting one might find that possession.
I agree he can hold any position he wants. I think he should be able to defend any position he holds. I believe he should be able to defend any position. He doesn't hold if he's doing it seriously.
The problem is that he's not really defending these positions but more like trolling people by pretending he has them. He's not giving any premises for his beliefs and when he does get into a debate about a controversial position like that, usually even in his rebuttals he's just copying and pasting like a set of arguments that he's already written down so he doesn't really respond to arguments as much as he just gish gallops them.
So best, Korea should not be banned for any position he holds or espouses. I mean you can learn a lot even by arguing against disgusting opinions. If you look at adreamofliberties post on bestiality. Hey Chris, I nominated for the Hall of Fame and which made it into the Hall of Fame. By the way, it shows that the people around there really do value controversial and different opinions.
You can learn a lot from those opinions and the problem is with best Korea. He isn't teaching you anything with this positions. He doesn't take this position seriously. He's not here to learn. He's not here to provide information. He's just here to basically f*** with people and to draw attention to himself and the only way he knows how to draw attention to himself which is to be a mindless troll. Best, Korea is essentially the Johnny Somalia of debate.art.
Round 2
Respected WyIted ! on first place i prefer to clap on ur innocent words and thoughts what u have .......
very well
u say that : " That (my ) account was banned by request "
listen and listen well ,
" i Best.Korea never ever requested to ban my account "
if u r one of them , then u know that very well ........ but if u r not then i don't consider u a liar or bad one ....... but i consider u a innocent one ............ c they ban me becoz they want to ban me , that's not me who ask them to ban me ...........
" what u know and say is a lie , no matter u believe in me or not "
My dear WyIted i c the burden of blames and hated statements u put on my shoulders ....... and u tell ppl that to listen what i say is just a wastage of time and mind and that like stuff ........... (in other sense u consider others debaters foolish , who waste time to nonsense things ) , u r not who told who is who and who do what ........ no-one is ur slave ........ i know u talk to debater/s not to slaves
my dear i've a suggestion for u : " be a debater not a dictator "
So I don't understand any of that to be honest. I thought this particular user was honorable and this not how they talk in any PM they have had with me, but reason for best Korea ban can be seen when you click on his profile.
He requested his own ban
Round 3
" The strength of men's spirit then be measured by how much truth he can tolerate " by Fredrick Nietzsche
My dear opponent WyIted clearly surrender not only to me but to truth ,
dears readers and debaters and my opponent , if u willing to tolerate to the truth then , i suggest u to read About me in profile that u can c as my opponent want u to c
I don't request to ban me they ban me as they want to ban me ....... those who don't tolerate to truth have no strength of soul
i hope they surrender to truth and listen what they don't like to listen
Forfeited
5 little monkeys jumping on the bed
one fell off and bumped his head ....... (u can complete the poem )
officially ! as an old friend and a debater
i admire u on what u've done as after u who have strength to face what u've face
Anyway, I lost interest in whatever this is. It started as fun, but now its kinda boring.
"So once you are disproven you will move the goalposts"
You dont have to disprove all those arguments. No one is forcing you. But then will they be... not disproved? ☹
"Great. Now you could respond to 700 arguments one by one to explain why they are retarded. After you are done, I will send you 2300 more arguments on discord so you can prove your point."
So once you are disproven you will move the goalposts
Dea vult!
I am just here to express my views. If it makes me a celebrity, so be it.
The most controversial celebrity on debate art.
You may be right. But why play games and risk finding out?
uh huh. well that's a thing as well.
I dont think I am going to be forcefully banned by mods. Most people on this site are fine with me. Only some are bothered by my presence.
hmmm well, still it's on u whether u wanna be banned or not completely, even if they do u can still come back, yiyk.
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Yeah. Well, there are some people who want to ban me completely, but its the mods who decide who gets banned.
ohh so u banned it urself, huh? that seems cool.
Right now, this is the only account. I dont use multiple accounts. My first account was Best.Korea, and after I banned it, I made this one.
You clearly have the dedication and ability to debate competently.
But why do you choose to troll? Is it entertaining for you or are you getting something else out of it?
ahh i c then, is this the only new account u r using, or r there multiples?
Yes.
ohh so u r best korea?
"I read the entire thread"
Great. Now you could respond to 700 arguments one by one to explain why they are retarded. After you are done, I will send you 2300 more arguments on discord so you can prove your point.
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So you argue to ban everyone you think is a retard? Thats the true free speech supporter. "I think this is retarded. Ban it, ban it!". The real truth is, you guys are just tired of losing all the time in the forum. Yeah, I get it. You dislike my debating style because you cant win against it and cant ignore it either for some reason. I guess I created a debating meta here.
Apex predator 🐯
I read the entire thread . You chose to act retarded. You could defend the same opinion in a non retarded way. You can point to other instances where you were a retard with other subjects as well, and there have also been pushed to ban you for that as well, the pedophilia arguments provide a convenient excuse but it's repeated and consistent behavior. You aren't learning anything or accomplishing anything by debating with the same ability as a 12 year old could, so why not just choose to not be retarded instead? If I was given the option of being a retard or not being one, I would choose to not be one.
It's actually a question you should ask before every decision. Ask yourself "is this retarded?". If the answer is yes than just pivot to the non retarded alternative.
You'll feel better, your life will be better. You have nothing to lose by not being a retard.
So its just your undefined opinion about my arguments when you didnt even read most of them? Thats kinda strange. Are you going to argue to ban all users who make arguments you find stupid? Besides, mods didnt really say what you say, and this wasnt issue on other topics, so I dont really see whats your point here.
I don't like oromagi and he makes intelligent arguments. BSH1 is a piece of shit and his arguments were good
"It is"
No.
"Strawman, there are people who actually debate that subject without being retards"
And "retards" are? Someone you dislike?
"I get it. I could be driving away users from the site by debating such a sensitive topic. Its not really about the way I debate,"
It is
"Is this circular logic? Sure, censor everything you see as incorrect. "
Strawman, there are people who actually debate that subject without being retards.
I get it. I could be driving away users from the site by debating such a sensitive topic. Its not really about the way I debate, as it is not an issue on any other topics I debate. I have many debating strategies. Copy paste is just one which is easiest while also being impossible to win against in the forum.
"My guess is that it's banned because you can't handle debating the topic correctly."
Is this circular logic? Sure, censor everything you see as incorrect. Thats how you uphold free speech. Now, do you censor it because its incorrect, or is it incorrect because you censor it?
Vader banned the thread, I will ask him. My guess is that it's banned because you can't handle debating the topic correctly.
"The only one I could see actually banning based on subject alone is oromagi and he isn't active"
No one was banned. Just the topic was said to be a no no. Thats all. So when someone tells me that I cant debate that anymore, then I guess I can agree to not debate it anymore. But people do keep bringing it up for some reason. Not sure why. Maybe they want a safe space where they can punch but not be punched. Heh
Back to what really matters, geometry dash.
I mean it was only 4 pages and you are allowed to respond. You weren't even banned you just started a new account. You don't have to argue you can just link to your best argument post.
You can assume something was disproven. Was it really disproven?
"That thread you are essentially repeating the same handful of arguments"
Does this sound like another assumption?
"Why don't you pick out your best one"
I am not allowed to debate the topic, so I wont be picking anything here. You are just debating against some ghost who cant respond anymore.
"You also seem to pepper in logical fallacies nearly every argument"
Given that you only responded to 0.1% of arguments, is this one of those "I assume, therefore I am"?
The ones disproven by counter arguments shift the burden to you in that regard. That thread you are essentially repeating the same handful of arguments repeatedly while ignoring counter arguments.
You also seem to pepper in logical fallacies nearly every argument. Why don't you pick out your best one.
The only one I could see actually banning based on subject alone is oromagi and he isn't active.
I have already talked to the rest about my philosophy and I feel like most of them have a very similar one or have come around.
"Who told you it wasn't allowed and what were their exact words?"
You can ask the mods yourself. They will probably explain it much better than I can.
"And no terrible arguments shouldn't be allowed"
Thne you guys will have to ban plenty of users here lol
Who are you even debating against here? Some spectre who cant even respond? Well, the spectre which you are apparently debating against made 160 arguments in debate section, 500 arguments in one forum topic, and 60 arguments in another forum topic. So thats how much? About 700 arguments? You responded to... 2 arguments?
Who told you it wasn't allowed and what were their exact words?
I don't think the subject or defending that issue is as much of a problem as your lack of respect.
And no terrible arguments shouldn't be allowed. You should have freedom to defend every position here.
Besides I am not even sure what your arguing. It's not illegal for children to consent. No child is arrested for being molested.
Not sure why you are debating a topic which isnt even allowed to be debated here.
I have defended everyone's right to debate any subject no matter how taboo. You aren't treating these controversial subjects with respect. You aren't making a serious effort to defend them you are just saying the first thing that comes to mind based on nonor very little research. If you treat the subject with respect I can talk to these mods and make sure you are safe. It's not what you are doing, you're just trying to rage bait.
It's why when we had our debate about child marriage you literally refused to address my points and just gish galloped . So you made it clear in that debate as well you weren't interested in actually defending that POV
Next argument if it's even considered one
"You wouldnt want anyone else deciding about you without your consent, so saying that children should suffer that treatment is inconsistent."
Presupposition used when saying suffer. The presupposition goes unsupported as is the nature of presuppositions
"You wouldn't want to"
An appeal to emotion. It doesn't matter what I want in terms of myself this is about the ethics of shoving your penis into a 2 year olds ass if you feel like they consented.
Sadly, saying that someone's argument is retarded is just your opinion and hardly a reason for censorship. But yeah, I aint debating that topic anymore, cuz mods said its a no no topic and people got upset about it. I dont really see how someone can come to a debate site while opposing a debate on some topics. Not exactly the true debating spirit. And by the way, I was banned for similar topic for 7 days way before I even started using copy paste system. So really, cant blame it on the copy paste system. Its just people hating me for things I say. And they are going to hate me anyway, because we disagree on many more topics. Sure, I could go around being a people pleaser and just say things people want to hear, but then I wouldnt really be myself. It would be kinda nasty to pretend like that.
Let's look for a third argument or something resembling one somewhere which I doubt can be found
Second argument
"Yes. If children cant consent, then they either are property with other people making decisions for them, which is slavery,"
False dilemma
"either other people cant make decisions for them, and then no decisions can even be logically made and every option is wrong, which cannot work."
Other than obvious rebuttals like coma patients can't consent but we wouldn't consider them property it just fails to really get into what is consent, why it would be wrong to not allow consent or even what's wrong with considering. Children property.
The first argument I looked at said "bring it on".
I will now look at the thread for your next argument to see if it was also retarded
I needed to change the name of my account. But yeah, there were people saying that I should get banned for things I say.
"You are welcome to reread your arguments and see for yourself"
No more arguments from you, I guess.
ohh i c well then it;s upto her whtevr she wants to do,thou i still don't get the hang of it. Anyways, thx for telling.