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#6112

Should Israel Seize All Of Gaza?

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Publication date: 05.06.2025 12:48PM
Last updated date: 05.07.2025 10:41AM
Type: Standard
Number of rounds: 3
Time for argument: One week
Max argument characters: 10,000
Voting period: One week
Point system: Winner selection
Voting system: Open

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Round 1

ChatKnight

05.06.2025 02:10PM

Pro

From a strategic perspective, seizing the Gaza Strip offers Israel immediate and long-term gains in security, leverage in negotiations, and control over a territory that has been a persistent source of military threats.

Neutralizing Hamas as a Military Threat: The primary objective of Israel's campaign has been to dismantle Hamas's military infrastructure and prevent future attacks. Military operations have succeeded in destroying much of Hamas's capacity, compelling the group to seek ceasefire agreements and release hostages 1 2 4 5 . By maintaining a presence in Gaza, Israel can further disrupt Hamas's ability to reconstitute, limiting its capacity to organize, train, and launch attacks 4 6 .
Securing Hostage Releases and Negotiation Leverage: Seizing territory and intensifying military pressure have given Israel greater leverage in negotiations with Hamas, particularly regarding the release of hostages and ceasefire terms 2 5 . Control over more of Gaza's territory and key corridors strengthens Israel's bargaining position.
Strategic Control of Key Corridors: By controlling the Philadelphi and Netzarim corridors, Israel can sever Hamas's access to external resupply routes and prevent the group from regrouping in different areas of the strip 4 6 . This control also allows Israel to better monitor and manage the movement of goods, people, and potentially weapons, enhancing long-term security.
Buffer Zones and Border Security: Expanding buffer zones along the Gaza border and Egypt reduces the risk of infiltration, arms smuggling, and attacks on Israeli communities 2 4 5 6 . This creates a more defensible perimeter and addresses longstanding security concerns.
Reshaping the Security and Demographic Landscape: The operation allows Israel to reshape the geography and security architecture of Gaza, potentially reducing local resistance and tipping the demographic balance in favor of Israel and its long-term strategic interests 5 . By consolidating control, Israel can deter future threats and assert its influence over the territory's future.
Demonstrating Resolve and Deterrence: A decisive military campaign signals to adversaries and the international community that Israel is willing and able to act forcefully to defend its interests, which may deter hostile actions from other groups in the region 1 2 5 .

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pierree

05.06.2025 09:36PM

Con

Starting off with the fact that if you only think that the seizures on Gaza are okay you are absolutely insane, but I don't want to get into your character so I'm gonna answer all of the points so that you can have a solid perspective of what I think.

I'm gonna use the order that you used so, I'm sorry if it's repeating.

Neutralising the only Military Threat : Even if Hamas isn't the only military army in Gaza all of the other arms cooperate often with Hamas because it's the only army which is recognised in that context. Hamas is a not-recognised military threat and that is actually the only official army against the Israeli attacks. You said earlier that is right for Israel dismantle the Hamas' military infrastructures and facilities to prevent also future attacks, but to do so they bomb all the innocents people and do an ethnical cleansing and let them all die starved and for viral infections and viruses? The operations that have succeed in destroying Hamas' capacity have also destroyed and killed in the most horrific and awful ways tons of children and civils bombing every hospital, every school or whatever facilities that could potentially had helped the civils.
Securing hostages releases and negotiation: when you talk about hostages releases you should remember that most of them has been already killed by the IDF. I am not able to say anything else about what you just wrote because I don't want to offend you or be mean but in my opinion, you shouldn't even have the right to continue speaking about the Palestinians because what you have been doing is just attack them as terrorists and guess what, who are the terrorists really? The Israeli army also know as the IDF that has done. I'm giving you the evidences: Indiscriminate and Disproportionate Attacks

The UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) analyzed six major Israeli attacks that caused heavy civilian casualties and widespread destruction in Gaza. The report raises serious concerns over violations of the principles of distinction and proportionality under international humanitarian law. www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/06/un-report-israeli-use-heavy-bombs-gaza-raises-serious-concerns-under-laws
Use of Starvation as a Weapon of War. Amnesty International has condemned Israel’stotal siege on Gaza, cutting off food, water, fuel, and medical aid. The organization considers this collective punishment and accuses Israel of using starvation as a method of warfare, a war crime under international law. amnesty.ca/human-rights-news/israel-opt-two-month-siege-genocide-gaza/
Systematic Destruction of Civilian Infrastructure. Human Rights Watch reports that Israeli forces have destroyed hospitals, water systems, schools, and refugee shelters across Gaza. These actions contributed to what the UN calls a humanitarian collapse, and in some cases may amount to crimes against humanity. www.hrw.org/news/2024/11/14/israels-crimes-against-humanity-gaza
Torture and Abuse of Palestinian Detainees. A UN investigation has found evidence that Israeli forces committed torture, sexual violence, and degrading treatment against Palestinian detainees, especially during mass arrests in northern Gaza. These acts are in clear violation of international law. www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/10/un-commission-finds-war-crimes-and-crimes-against-humanity-israeli-attacks
Dehumanizing Behavior by Soldiers. Several media outlets reported video evidence showing IDF soldiers staging "gender reveals" with explosives and mocking civilians amid destruction in Gaza. These behaviors reflect a disregard for human suffering and the ethics of military conduct. www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/horrific-video-of-soldiers-staging-gender-reveal-with-explosives-in-gaza/news-story/984aec66418e3154450a860e641cd071.

Reshaping the Security and the Demographic Landscape: that is the last point that I'm analysing because I read enough and it's so heartbreaking to listen to some of the things that you're saying so I'm gonna go fast now. If you bomb a good part of the Strip and you kill everyone, it's absolutely normal that you reshape the demographic landscape BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING.

Pleasure to have met you, hope you can give me your opinion on that.

Round 2

ChatKnight

05.06.2025 11:40PM

Pro

You're not addressing the topic of this debate. All you've done is produce an anti-Israel rant focusing on a pro-Hamas propaganda list of Israeli "crimes".

Summarizing my previous argument: The seizure of all of Gaza is not only justified but necessary to achieve enduring security, recover hostages, and prevent future threats. It is a difficult decision, but one compelled by the lessons of recent history and the imperative to protect Israeli lives and sovereignty.

Now explain why Israel should not seize all of Gaza. I'm waiting.

pierree

05.07.2025 05:25AM

Con

Israel should not seize Gaza because it's crime war to do a genocide and even if you want to hide it, it isn't just the thing "Oh they attacked Israel so now it's right to bomb and kill all of them". Starting even with the idea that all of that is useful, what does Israel is going to do next? Do they even know that Hamas has not even the 1% of the power that the terrorists of the IDF have and that all of what they are doing is just an excuse to continue the ethnical cleansing to continue what the UN wanted since 1948. Do you even know what are you talking about?

Round 3

ChatKnight

05.07.2025 07:58AM

Pro

Oh, so Israel shouldn't seize Gaza because it's all about “genocide” and “ethnic cleansing,” and apparently the IDF is the real terrorist group, while Hamas is just a bunch of underdogs with slingshots? Let's unpack this with a little humor and a lot of facts.

First, if Israel were actually trying to commit “genocide” or “ethnic cleansing,” someone should tell them they're doing a terrible job—the Arab population in Israel has grown by over 1,200% since 1948 and now makes up more than 2 million citizens, about 21% of the country 7 12 14 . That's the worst “ethnic cleansing” campaign in history. Maybe Israel should stick to high-tech startups instead.

Second, about the “power imbalance”: Yes, the IDF has tanks, jets, and Iron Dome, while Hamas has rockets, tunnels, and a tunnel network that would make a mole jealous 8 9 . But let's not pretend Hamas is just a neighborhood watch with fireworks-they've got thousands of fighters, Iranian-made missiles, and, as we saw on October 7, a willingness to launch surprise attacks on civilians 6 8 9 . If you think Israel's military strength makes defending itself a crime, maybe you'd prefer them fight with one hand tied behind their back? Spoiler: they tried that, and it didn't end well.And as for “what's next?”-well, after dealing with a group whose charter calls for Israel's destruction, maybe Israel's plan is to finally get some peace and quiet. Or at least a few days without rockets raining down.

So, do we know what we're talking about? Absolutely. And if you want to compare “terrorists,” just remember: one side builds bomb shelters for its civilians, the other builds tunnels to hide its rockets. That's not just a difference in power-it's a difference in priorities.

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pierree

05.07.2025 10:41AM

you only have 7 October as only argument?

pierree

05.07.2025 08:20AM

I wanted humour, NOT THE MOST RIDICULOUS ARGUMENT THAT YOU CAN PUT ON AND SAYING IT ISN'T A GENOCIDE. LOOK AT THE STATISTICS: OVER 15.000 CHILDREN KILLED AND OVER 50.000 CIVILIANS AND OVER 150.000 INJURED. ARE YOU SERIOUS?😭
To be clear I'm not attacking you and your character but the things that you just said

ChatKnight

05.07.2025 08:02AM

You want humor? My 3rd argument is in a light tone.

pierree

05.07.2025 05:27AM

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I didn't think that even the evidences of what the IDF has been doing is just some "crimes", I hope you aren't serious 😭🙏

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05.06.2025 09:46PM

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