Should Israel Seize All Of Gaza?
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- Neutralizing Hamas as a Military Threat: The primary objective of Israel's campaign has been to dismantle Hamas's military infrastructure and prevent future attacks. Military operations have succeeded in destroying much of Hamas's capacity, compelling the group to seek ceasefire agreements and release hostages 1 2 4 5 . By maintaining a presence in Gaza, Israel can further disrupt Hamas's ability to reconstitute, limiting its capacity to organize, train, and launch attacks 4 6 .
- Securing Hostage Releases and Negotiation Leverage: Seizing territory and intensifying military pressure have given Israel greater leverage in negotiations with Hamas, particularly regarding the release of hostages and ceasefire terms 2 5 . Control over more of Gaza's territory and key corridors strengthens Israel's bargaining position.
- Strategic Control of Key Corridors: By controlling the Philadelphi and Netzarim corridors, Israel can sever Hamas's access to external resupply routes and prevent the group from regrouping in different areas of the strip 4 6 . This control also allows Israel to better monitor and manage the movement of goods, people, and potentially weapons, enhancing long-term security.
- Buffer Zones and Border Security: Expanding buffer zones along the Gaza border and Egypt reduces the risk of infiltration, arms smuggling, and attacks on Israeli communities 2 4 5 6 . This creates a more defensible perimeter and addresses longstanding security concerns.
- Reshaping the Security and Demographic Landscape: The operation allows Israel to reshape the geography and security architecture of Gaza, potentially reducing local resistance and tipping the demographic balance in favor of Israel and its long-term strategic interests 5 . By consolidating control, Israel can deter future threats and assert its influence over the territory's future.
- Demonstrating Resolve and Deterrence: A decisive military campaign signals to adversaries and the international community that Israel is willing and able to act forcefully to defend its interests, which may deter hostile actions from other groups in the region 1 2 5 .
- https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/israels-operational-success-and-strategic-shortcomings-gaza-strip
- https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwy04km1zk0o
- https://www.globalr2p.org/publications/the-reality-of-gazas-fragile-ceasefire-current-and-future-risks-for-atrocities-in-occupied-palestinian-territory-and-israel/
- https://www.aei.org/articles/israels-operational-success-and-strategic-shortcomings-in-the-gaza-strip/
- https://www.crisisgroup.org/middle-east-north-africa/east-mediterranean-mena/israelpalestine/gaza-war-approaching-its-endgame
- https://www.ap.org/news-highlights/spotlights/2024/why-is-israel-demanding-control-over-2-gaza-corridors-in-the-cease-fire-talks/
- https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/the-implications-of-israels-plan-to-expand-military-operations-in-gaza
- https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/gaza-ceasefire-implications-israel-hamas-and-us-policy
- Neutralising the only Military Threat : Even if Hamas isn't the only military army in Gaza all of the other arms cooperate often with Hamas because it's the only army which is recognised in that context. Hamas is a not-recognised military threat and that is actually the only official army against the Israeli attacks. You said earlier that is right for Israel dismantle the Hamas' military infrastructures and facilities to prevent also future attacks, but to do so they bomb all the innocents people and do an ethnical cleansing and let them all die starved and for viral infections and viruses? The operations that have succeed in destroying Hamas' capacity have also destroyed and killed in the most horrific and awful ways tons of children and civils bombing every hospital, every school or whatever facilities that could potentially had helped the civils.
- Securing hostages releases and negotiation: when you talk about hostages releases you should remember that most of them has been already killed by the IDF. I am not able to say anything else about what you just wrote because I don't want to offend you or be mean but in my opinion, you shouldn't even have the right to continue speaking about the Palestinians because what you have been doing is just attack them as terrorists and guess what, who are the terrorists really? The Israeli army also know as the IDF that has done. I'm giving you the evidences: Indiscriminate and Disproportionate Attacks
- The UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) analyzed six major Israeli attacks that caused heavy civilian casualties and widespread destruction in Gaza. The report raises serious concerns over violations of the principles of distinction and proportionality under international humanitarian law. www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/06/un-report-israeli-use-heavy-bombs-gaza-raises-serious-concerns-under-laws
- Use of Starvation as a Weapon of War. Amnesty International has condemned Israel’stotal siege on Gaza, cutting off food, water, fuel, and medical aid. The organization considers this collective punishment and accuses Israel of using starvation as a method of warfare, a war crime under international law. amnesty.ca/human-rights-news/israel-opt-two-month-siege-genocide-gaza/
- Systematic Destruction of Civilian Infrastructure. Human Rights Watch reports that Israeli forces have destroyed hospitals, water systems, schools, and refugee shelters across Gaza. These actions contributed to what the UN calls a humanitarian collapse, and in some cases may amount to crimes against humanity. www.hrw.org/news/2024/11/14/israels-crimes-against-humanity-gaza
- Torture and Abuse of Palestinian Detainees. A UN investigation has found evidence that Israeli forces committed torture, sexual violence, and degrading treatment against Palestinian detainees, especially during mass arrests in northern Gaza. These acts are in clear violation of international law. www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/10/un-commission-finds-war-crimes-and-crimes-against-humanity-israeli-attacks
- Dehumanizing Behavior by Soldiers. Several media outlets reported video evidence showing IDF soldiers staging "gender reveals" with explosives and mocking civilians amid destruction in Gaza. These behaviors reflect a disregard for human suffering and the ethics of military conduct. www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/horrific-video-of-soldiers-staging-gender-reveal-with-explosives-in-gaza/news-story/984aec66418e3154450a860e641cd071.
- Reshaping the Security and the Demographic Landscape: that is the last point that I'm analysing because I read enough and it's so heartbreaking to listen to some of the things that you're saying so I'm gonna go fast now. If you bomb a good part of the Strip and you kill everyone, it's absolutely normal that you reshape the demographic landscape BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING.
First, if Israel were actually trying to commit “genocide” or “ethnic cleansing,” someone should tell them they're doing a terrible job—the Arab population in Israel has grown by over 1,200% since 1948 and now makes up more than 2 million citizens, about 21% of the country 7 12 14 . That's the worst “ethnic cleansing” campaign in history. Maybe Israel should stick to high-tech startups instead.
Second, about the “power imbalance”: Yes, the IDF has tanks, jets, and Iron Dome, while Hamas has rockets, tunnels, and a tunnel network that would make a mole jealous 8 9 . But let's not pretend Hamas is just a neighborhood watch with fireworks-they've got thousands of fighters, Iranian-made missiles, and, as we saw on October 7, a willingness to launch surprise attacks on civilians 6 8 9 . If you think Israel's military strength makes defending itself a crime, maybe you'd prefer them fight with one hand tied behind their back? Spoiler: they tried that, and it didn't end well.And as for “what's next?”-well, after dealing with a group whose charter calls for Israel's destruction, maybe Israel's plan is to finally get some peace and quiet. Or at least a few days without rockets raining down.
So, do we know what we're talking about? Absolutely. And if you want to compare “terrorists,” just remember: one side builds bomb shelters for its civilians, the other builds tunnels to hide its rockets. That's not just a difference in power-it's a difference in priorities.
- https://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.php?country_id=israel
- https://acleddata.com/conflict-watchlist-2025/israel-palestine-lebanon/
- https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250506-as-israel-plans-gaza-conquest-how-strong-is-its-army
- https://acleddata.com/2024/10/06/after-a-year-of-war-hamas-is-militarily-weakened-but-far-from-eliminated/
- https://www.newsweek.com/how-israel-military-idf-compare-hamas-forces-gaza-strip-palestinians-offensive-1834142
- https://newlinesinstitute.org/state-resilience-fragility/hamas-capabilities-after-the-gaza-war/
- https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/israeli-arab-statistics
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfklMhIfCtk
- https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/how-hamas-built-army
- https://en.idi.org.il/articles/38540
- https://www.itv.com/news/2023-10-11/how-do-the-israeli-military-and-hamas-compare-in-size-and-strength
- https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/latest-population-statistics-for-israel
- https://aspeniaonline.it/israel-a-demographic-ticking-bomb-in-todays-one-state-reality/
- https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelPalestine/comments/1c5uqv5/unveiling_the_truth_the_astonishing_shift_in/
"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine..."
"The districts of Mersina and Alexandretta and portions of Syria lying to the west of the districts of Damascus, Homs, Hama and Aleppo cannot be said to be purely Arab, and should be excluded from the limits demanded. Subject to that modification, Great Britain is prepared to recognize and support the independence of the Arabs in all the regions within the limits demanded by the Sherif of Mecca."
- Arab leaders believed that Palestine was included in the territory promised to them.
- Zionist Jews interpreted the Balfour Declaration as a British commitment to the creation of a Jewish national home in Palestine.
- The Jewish leadership accepted the plan as a diplomatic foundation for a future state.
- The Arab states and Palestinian Arabs rejected it, arguing it violated the majority Arab population's right to self-determination and gave disproportionate land to Jews (who owned a smaller percentage of the land).
- In 1949, the UN established the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) to provide education, healthcare, and humanitarian support to Palestinian refugees.
- UNRWA still operates today, serving millions of registered refugees in the West Bank, Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan.
- The UN responded with Resolution 242, which became a cornerstone of international law on the conflict.It called for:
- “Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied” (intentionally vague phrasing).
- Respect for the sovereignty and security of all states, including Israel.
- It became the legal basis for future peace talks like Camp David (1978) and Oslo (1990s).
- Yasser Arafat addressed the General Assembly in a historic speech.
- The same year, Palestine was granted observer status, giving it the ability to speak but not vote.
- Resolutions such as 465 (1980) and later 2334 (2016) declared the settlements a violation of international law, particularly the Fourth Geneva Convention.
- Simultaneously, the UN supported peace processes, such as:
- The Madrid Conference (1991)
- The Oslo Accords (1993–1995), which led to limited Palestinian autonomy through the Palestinian Authority (PA)
- The Madrid Conference (1991)
- UNSC Resolution 465 (1980)
- Oslo Accords at UN
- Israeli military operations in civilian areas.
- Palestinian suicide bombings targeting civilians.During this period, the UN reaffirmed its position in favor of:
- A sovereign Palestinian state
- An end to occupation
- A negotiated solution based on 1967 borders and mutual recognition
- The vote was 138 in favor, 9 against, 41 abstentions.
- This allowed Palestine to join international bodies like the International Criminal Court (ICC).
- Settlements in the occupied Palestinian territory, including East Jerusalem, are illegal.
- They are a major obstacle to the two-state solution.
- Condemned further expansion of Israeli settlements and demolitions of Palestinian homes.
- Called for an end to violence in Gaza, including during the 2021 and 2023 escalations.
- Continued support for UNRWA, despite financial shortfalls and political pressure.
- Advocated for renewed peace negotiations, but these efforts have largely stalled due to shifting global politics, Israeli internal politics, and Palestinian division (Fatah vs Hamas).
- Case 1000 – “Gifts Affair”: Netanyahu allegedly received luxury gifts worth ~$186,000 from businessmen in exchange for favors.
- Case 2000 – “Media Deal”: Accused of negotiating favorable coverage in Yedioth Ahronoth in return for weakening a rival paper.
- Case 4000 – “Bezeq-Walla Affair”
- War crimes: Starvation as a weapon, targeting civilians.
- Crimes against humanity: Murder, persecution, inhumane acts.Related to actions in Gaza (2023–2024).Netanyahu is accused as both a co-perpetrator and civilian superior.
Pro (Israel has the right to defend itself) focused on self-defense, but completely ignored:
The decades of occupation.
The ongoing blockade of Gaza (since 2007).
The disproportionate civilian casualties.
The settler violence in the West Bank.
The fact that Israel is the powerful occupier, not a powerless victim.
They cherry-picked October 7 and erased everything before and after it.
Con (Palestine deserves justice and Israel is the aggressor) called out:
The apartheid system (even Human Rights Watch uses that term).
Ethnic cleansing in Gaza right now.
Historical context: 1948, Nakba, settlements, and colonization.
That Hamas doesn’t equal all Palestinians.
That Israel is not defending itself, but waging a brutal campaign.
They framed it not as terrorism vs. defense, but oppression vs. resistance—and backed it with decades of history and international law.
Strategically:
Pro used emotional appeal (hostages, Hamas terrorism) and repeated the "right to defend" mantra. But they collapsed morally, because they couldn't explain:
Why that "defense" includes bombing refugee camps and hospitals.
Why civilians are paying the price.
Con destroyed that framing by:
Exposing double standards (like how colonizers often use “defense” to justify violence).
Showing how resistance is the only option left when all diplomatic channels fail.
I said some things due to the space I perfectly know that there were some jews communities in Palestine before even 1897, and cospiracy theory about what? Why jews have been living in yiddish, dutch, german, italian, greek, polish, american and more other communities before the holocaust and said nothing? The fact that the occupation and the horrors that have been done in Palestine is not an excuse or a justify for "thousands of years of persecutions". And it's not deniying one of the darkest part of our history saying that if jews have been living all around the world for thousands of years and said nothing. Of course the zionists that believe in the Torah and so the Holy Land always have been here, but in fact they didn't occupy with force a land where they hadn't lived for years. Even one of the most influential historian in Italy, Mario Liverani, in the book 'Oltre la Bibbia: Storia Antica di Israele'(I don't know how it's called in english I'm sorry) says that even in the past there wasn't an homogeneous people settled in Palestine professing Jew religion.
Nothing says “well-researched historical analysis” like lumping every Jew on the planet into a single monolithic group and then time-traveling straight from 135 A.D. to the modern era, skipping a couple thousand years of, you know, actual Jewish presence, migration, and history in the region[3][5]. Clearly, if you just ignore the centuries of Jewish communities living in places like Jerusalem, Hebron, and Safed, and all those waves of migration in the 19th century, it makes the story so much simpler-and who needs nuance when you’ve got a good rant, right?
And let’s not forget: Zionism just popped out of nowhere because a bunch of people woke up one day and said, “Hey, let’s start a nationalist movement for fun!” Never mind the pogroms, the Haskalah, or the fact that Theodor Herzl and his friends were responding to centuries of persecution and a desire for self-determination. I mean, who cares that the first Zionist Congress was in 1897, or that Jews were buying land and building communities in Palestine decades before 1948? Details, details.
So yes, maybe before speaking, you should definitely read some history-just not the kind that gets in the way of a perfectly good conspiracy theory!
Chatknight is right. Let me show you a speech I once made for Keystone, something similar to TedEx with 100 people in the audience.
“Let me start by showing you a photo you might have seen on social media.” People start chanting, “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free,” because other people chant it. Most of them don’t even know what they’re chanting; neither do they understand what river and sea they’re talking about. However, hopefully, by the end of this talk, you will understand.
Hi, my name is Adam. I am a Jew who lives in Miami and was born in Israel.
Let's go back in time to the voting of the United Nations in 1947. The UN Member States were voting on how to split the British Mandate territory, now known as Israel, between the Jews and the Arabs. (Show map) The proposal stated that the Jews would get the orange parts, and the Arabs would get the yellow ones. Jerusalem would stay as an international territory. For it to be accepted, two-thirds of the U.N. member states would need to support the plan.
“Here is the vote”
(Chart of voting)
33 countries voted for the plan, including the U.S.A, France, the U.K., and the Soviet Union, and only 13 voted against it. Thus, the Jews got part of the British territory. This was the first time the Jews had a legal right to their land, Israel.
The Arab countries included in the Partition Plan were not happy, so four months later, they started a war against the newly formed Jewish state, called the War of Independence.
The Jewish state defeated the Arabs, conquering additional territories. [show the map] Here in the map, the blue represents what the Jews got in the Partition Plan, the orange and that little gray dot representing West Jerusalem are what Israel captured in the War of Independence, and the green and pink are what the Arabs still had after the war. These borders were recognized, or legally accepted, when Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, and Jordan signed legal ceasefire agreements with Israel, known as the 1949 Armistice Agreements,
and the war ended.
So, is that it? Does Israel finally have peace?
No. Only 18 years later, in June 1967, the Six-Day War emerged between Israel and the Arab states surrounding it. (Show map) Israel won the war and captured the West Bank (including East Jerusalem,) the Gaza Strip, the Golan Heights, and the Sinai Peninsula. After the war, the U.N. offered a resolution, Resolution 242, in which Israel would give the Arabs the land they captured in the Six-Day War in exchange for peace. Israel accepted, but the Arabs declined.
However, [show the map] the borders are different today. Here is how we got there: A few years later, in 1979, Israel made peace with Egypt. (((Show Map))) As part of the peace treaty, Israel gave Egypt back the captured Sinai Peninsula (((Zoom in))) and Egypt legally recognized Israel’s borders. The same happened with Jordan in 1994 (((Show Map))) when Israel gave Jordan some territories for peace and Jordan officially recognized Israel's border. Also, In the Oslo Accords, starting in 1993, (((Show Map))) Israel made an agreement with the Palestine Liberation Organization in which Israel gave them almost full control over Judea and Samaria. (((Zoom in))) Lastly, the most relevant for now, in the disengagement plan in 2005, (((Show Map))) Israel unilaterally withdrew from the Gaza Strip. (((Zoom in)))The only borders that are still not fully recognized are the Lebanese, Syrian, and East Jerusalem ones.
As you can see, several events changed Israel’s borders. The U.N. Partition Plan, wars, the ceasefire agreements, and peace treaties. So let’s go back to the phrase, “From the river to the sea, Palestine should be free.”
(Go back to the 2024 map.)
“You see this river? It is the Jordan River. Do you see this sea? It is the Mediterranean Sea. Do you see what’s in between? Israel. The phrase, “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free,” calls for the establishment of an Arab state called Palestine from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, and the removal of Israelis from the whole piece of land that we know as Israel.
I challenge you to explain this to the next person you hear chanting this phrase.
So, what do you think? Should from the river to the sea Palestine be free?
These are the pictures that go with it:
https://www.canva.com/design/DAGDn9codaE/nGlLaFNlJkp3I-Ja44yjrw/edit?utm_content=DAGDn9codaE&utm_campaign=designshare&utm_medium=link2&utm_source=sharebutton
you only have 7 October as only argument?
I wanted humour, NOT THE MOST RIDICULOUS ARGUMENT THAT YOU CAN PUT ON AND SAYING IT ISN'T A GENOCIDE. LOOK AT THE STATISTICS: OVER 15.000 CHILDREN KILLED AND OVER 50.000 CIVILIANS AND OVER 150.000 INJURED. ARE YOU SERIOUS?😭
To be clear I'm not attacking you and your character but the things that you just said
You want humor? My 3rd argument is in a light tone.
I didn't think that even the evidences of what the IDF has been doing is just some "crimes", I hope you aren't serious 😭🙏
Source for ChatKnight: Trust me bro