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Should Israel Seize All Of Gaza?

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@ChatKnight

I said some things due to the space I perfectly know that there were some jews communities in Palestine before even 1897, and cospiracy theory about what? Why jews have been living in yiddish, dutch, german, italian, greek, polish, american and more other communities before the holocaust and said nothing? The fact that the occupation and the horrors that have been done in Palestine is not an excuse or a justify for "thousands of years of persecutions". And it's not deniying one of the darkest part of our history saying that if jews have been living all around the world for thousands of years and said nothing. Of course the zionists that believe in the Torah and so the Holy Land always have been here, but in fact they didn't occupy with force a land where they hadn't lived for years. Even one of the most influential historian in Italy, Mario Liverani, in the book 'Oltre la Bibbia: Storia Antica di Israele'(I don't know how it's called in english I'm sorry) says that even in the past there wasn't an homogeneous people settled in Palestine professing Jew religion.

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@pierree

Nothing says “well-researched historical analysis” like lumping every Jew on the planet into a single monolithic group and then time-traveling straight from 135 A.D. to the modern era, skipping a couple thousand years of, you know, actual Jewish presence, migration, and history in the region[3][5]. Clearly, if you just ignore the centuries of Jewish communities living in places like Jerusalem, Hebron, and Safed, and all those waves of migration in the 19th century, it makes the story so much simpler-and who needs nuance when you’ve got a good rant, right?

And let’s not forget: Zionism just popped out of nowhere because a bunch of people woke up one day and said, “Hey, let’s start a nationalist movement for fun!” Never mind the pogroms, the Haskalah, or the fact that Theodor Herzl and his friends were responding to centuries of persecution and a desire for self-determination. I mean, who cares that the first Zionist Congress was in 1897, or that Jews were buying land and building communities in Palestine decades before 1948? Details, details.

So yes, maybe before speaking, you should definitely read some history-just not the kind that gets in the way of a perfectly good conspiracy theory!

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@ChatKnight

Chatknight is right. Let me show you a speech I once made for Keystone, something similar to TedEx with 100 people in the audience.

“Let me start by showing you a photo you might have seen on social media.” People start chanting, “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free,” because other people chant it. Most of them don’t even know what they’re chanting; neither do they understand what river and sea they’re talking about. However, hopefully, by the end of this talk, you will understand.
Hi, my name is Adam. I am a Jew who lives in Miami and was born in Israel.
Let's go back in time to the voting of the United Nations in 1947. The UN Member States were voting on how to split the British Mandate territory, now known as Israel, between the Jews and the Arabs. (Show map) The proposal stated that the Jews would get the orange parts, and the Arabs would get the yellow ones. Jerusalem would stay as an international territory. For it to be accepted, two-thirds of the U.N. member states would need to support the plan.
“Here is the vote”
(Chart of voting)
33 countries voted for the plan, including the U.S.A, France, the U.K., and the Soviet Union, and only 13 voted against it. Thus, the Jews got part of the British territory. This was the first time the Jews had a legal right to their land, Israel.
The Arab countries included in the Partition Plan were not happy, so four months later, they started a war against the newly formed Jewish state, called the War of Independence.
The Jewish state defeated the Arabs, conquering additional territories. [show the map] Here in the map, the blue represents what the Jews got in the Partition Plan, the orange and that little gray dot representing West Jerusalem are what Israel captured in the War of Independence, and the green and pink are what the Arabs still had after the war. These borders were recognized, or legally accepted, when Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, and Jordan signed legal ceasefire agreements with Israel, known as the 1949 Armistice Agreements,
and the war ended.
So, is that it? Does Israel finally have peace?
No. Only 18 years later, in June 1967, the Six-Day War emerged between Israel and the Arab states surrounding it. (Show map) Israel won the war and captured the West Bank (including East Jerusalem,) the Gaza Strip, the Golan Heights, and the Sinai Peninsula. After the war, the U.N. offered a resolution, Resolution 242, in which Israel would give the Arabs the land they captured in the Six-Day War in exchange for peace. Israel accepted, but the Arabs declined.
However, [show the map] the borders are different today. Here is how we got there: A few years later, in 1979, Israel made peace with Egypt. (((Show Map))) As part of the peace treaty, Israel gave Egypt back the captured Sinai Peninsula (((Zoom in))) and Egypt legally recognized Israel’s borders. The same happened with Jordan in 1994 (((Show Map))) when Israel gave Jordan some territories for peace and Jordan officially recognized Israel's border. Also, In the Oslo Accords, starting in 1993, (((Show Map))) Israel made an agreement with the Palestine Liberation Organization in which Israel gave them almost full control over Judea and Samaria. (((Zoom in))) Lastly, the most relevant for now, in the disengagement plan in 2005, (((Show Map))) Israel unilaterally withdrew from the Gaza Strip. (((Zoom in)))The only borders that are still not fully recognized are the Lebanese, Syrian, and East Jerusalem ones.
As you can see, several events changed Israel’s borders. The U.N. Partition Plan, wars, the ceasefire agreements, and peace treaties. So let’s go back to the phrase, “From the river to the sea, Palestine should be free.”

(Go back to the 2024 map.)
“You see this river? It is the Jordan River. Do you see this sea? It is the Mediterranean Sea. Do you see what’s in between? Israel. The phrase, “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free,” calls for the establishment of an Arab state called Palestine from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, and the removal of Israelis from the whole piece of land that we know as Israel.
I challenge you to explain this to the next person you hear chanting this phrase.
So, what do you think? Should from the river to the sea Palestine be free?

These are the pictures that go with it:

https://www.canva.com/design/DAGDn9codaE/nGlLaFNlJkp3I-Ja44yjrw/edit?utm_content=DAGDn9codaE&utm_campaign=designshare&utm_medium=link2&utm_source=sharebutton

you only have 7 October as only argument?

I wanted humour, NOT THE MOST RIDICULOUS ARGUMENT THAT YOU CAN PUT ON AND SAYING IT ISN'T A GENOCIDE. LOOK AT THE STATISTICS: OVER 15.000 CHILDREN KILLED AND OVER 50.000 CIVILIANS AND OVER 150.000 INJURED. ARE YOU SERIOUS?😭
To be clear I'm not attacking you and your character but the things that you just said

You want humor? My 3rd argument is in a light tone.

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@ChatKnight

I didn't think that even the evidences of what the IDF has been doing is just some "crimes", I hope you aren't serious 😭🙏

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@ChatKnight

Source for ChatKnight: Trust me bro