That's the most fucking nonsense thing I've ever heard. To be clear on your point "Maybe Israel can finally get some peace", what the heck are you talking about? Maybe before speaking you shoul read some history, the far-right jews and all of the jews as a group because that's what we are dealing with haven't been living in Palestine since 135 A.D., so why after 2000 years zionists wanted "their land" back?(And fun fact: THEY HAVEN'T EVEN LIVED THERE IN THOSE TIMES BECAUSE THEY WERE IN SOME OTHER ZONES AT ALL). The kernel of Israel is rooted since XX Century and I can show you all of that.
1. 🇬🇧 Promise to Zionist Jews – The Balfour Declaration (1917)
In a letter dated November 2, 1917, British Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour wrote to Lord Rothschild, a prominent leader of the British Jewish community, expressing support for the establishment of a “national home” for the Jewish people in Palestine.
Original Text (English):
"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine..."
2. 🇬🇧 Promise to Palestinian Arabs – The McMahon–Hussein Correspondence (1915–1916)
A series of letters exchanged between Sir Henry McMahon, British High Commissioner in Egypt, and Sharif Hussein of Mecca, leader of the Arab revolt. McMahon assured that Britain would recognize and support the independence of the Arabs in a large area of the Middle East—including Palestine, according to Arab interpretation—in exchange for a revolt against the Ottoman Empire.
Original Text (Letter from McMahon to Hussein, October 24, 1915):
"The districts of Mersina and Alexandretta and portions of Syria lying to the west of the districts of Damascus, Homs, Hama and Aleppo cannot be said to be purely Arab, and should be excluded from the limits demanded. Subject to that modification, Great Britain is prepared to recognize and support the independence of the Arabs in all the regions within the limits demanded by the Sherif of Mecca."
The British promises were contradictory:
- Arab leaders believed that Palestine was included in the territory promised to them.
- Zionist Jews interpreted the Balfour Declaration as a British commitment to the creation of a Jewish national home in Palestine.
These conflicting promises were a key factor in the emergence of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict and the instability during the British Mandate period after 1920.
Ok this is not complete because it's missing what the UN has done so let me break it down quickly.
🇺🇳 The Role of the United Nations in the Israeli–Palestinian Conflict (1947–Present)
The United Nations has been involved in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict since its earliest stages. Through dozens of resolutions, diplomatic initiatives, humanitarian operations, and legal statements, the UN has sought to mediate between competing claims and address the evolving realities on the ground. However, its role has often been limited by political divisions among member states, especially within the Security Council.
1. 1947: UN Partition Plan – General Assembly Resolution 181
In response to growing tensions between Jews and Arabs in British-controlled Palestine, the UN proposed dividing the territory into two states—one Jewish, one Arab—with Jerusalem under international administration.
- The Jewish leadership accepted the plan as a diplomatic foundation for a future state.
- The Arab states and Palestinian Arabs rejected it, arguing it violated the majority Arab population's right to self-determination and gave disproportionate land to Jews (who owned a smaller percentage of the land).
2. 1948–49: First Arab–Israeli War & Creation of UNRWA
After Israel declared independence in May 1948, Arab armies invaded, resulting in a war that ended with Israel controlling more land than allocated by the UN plan.
During the conflict, over 700,000 Palestinians became refugees, which the UN described as a “catastrophic displacement.”
- In 1949, the UN established the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) to provide education, healthcare, and humanitarian support to Palestinian refugees.
- UNRWA still operates today, serving millions of registered refugees in the West Bank, Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan.
3. 1967: Six-Day War & UN Security Council Resolution 242
In June 1967, Israel launched preemptive strikes against Egypt, Syria, and Jordan. After six days, it had occupied the West Bank, Gaza Strip, East Jerusalem, Sinai, and the Golan Heights.
(I can't find the exact source my bad)
4. 1973: Yom Kippur War & Resolution 338
A new Arab-Israeli war broke out in 1973. Resolution 338 reiterated 242 and urged immediate ceasefire and implementation of peace negotiations.
- It became the legal basis for future peace talks like Camp David (1978) and Oslo (1990s).
5. 1974: PLO Recognition & Observer Status
In 1974, the UN officially recognized the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) as the “representative of the Palestinian people.”
- Yasser Arafat addressed the General Assembly in a historic speech.
- The same year, Palestine was granted observer status, giving it the ability to speak but not vote.
6. 1980s–2000s: Settlement Condemnations and Two-State Advocacy
Throughout the 1980s and 1990s, the UN repeatedly condemned Israeli settlement expansion in the West Bank and East Jerusalem.
7. 2000s: UN Advocacy Amid Violence
The Second Intifada (2000–2005) saw a sharp escalation in violence.
The UN condemned:
- Israeli military operations in civilian areas.
Palestinian suicide bombings targeting civilians.
During this period, the UN reaffirmed its position in favor of:
- A sovereign Palestinian state
- An end to occupation
- A negotiated solution based on 1967 borders and mutual recognition
8. 2012: Palestine Recognized as a Non-Member Observer State
In November 2012, the General Assembly voted to upgrade Palestine's status to that of a “non-member observer state.”
- The vote was 138 in favor, 9 against, 41 abstentions.
- This allowed Palestine to join international bodies like the International Criminal Court (ICC).
9. 2016: Resolution 2334 – Settlements "Have No Legal Validity"
The Security Council passed Resolution 2334, reaffirming:
- Settlements in the occupied Palestinian territory, including East Jerusalem, are illegal.
- They are a major obstacle to the two-state solution.
10. 2020s–Present: Stalemate, Settlements, and Humanitarian Crisis
In recent years, the UN has:
- Condemned further expansion of Israeli settlements and demolitions of Palestinian homes.
- Called for an end to violence in Gaza, including during the 2021 and 2023 escalations.
- Continued support for UNRWA, despite financial shortfalls and political pressure.
- Advocated for renewed peace negotiations, but these efforts have largely stalled due to shifting global politics, Israeli internal politics, and Palestinian division (Fatah vs Hamas).
So even saying that one half is doing something for the civilians and that the other half is building tunnels for terrorists attack, it's just
to counterattack and resist Israeli's attacks. And if you're so expert about 7th of October explain why at the attack and the kidnapping of hundreds of people the IDF is killing and bombing everyone and every civilian. The tons of children starved and bombed and the raping, the sexual abuse, the physical violence done by the IDF on Palestinian women and children and civilians what is called? The fact that Netanyahu is bombing and wants that the Palestinians in THEIR OWN LAND should either be killed or to leave THEIR OWN LAND is not ethnic cleansing or genocide? If you want I can perfectly give you all the proofs of the crimes committed by Benjamin Netanyahu and the other one due to this heel of conflict:
Domestic Criminal Charges (Israel)
- Case 1000 – “Gifts Affair”: Netanyahu allegedly received luxury gifts worth ~$186,000 from businessmen in exchange for favors.
- Case 2000 – “Media Deal”: Accused of negotiating favorable coverage in Yedioth Ahronoth in return for weakening a rival paper.
- Case 4000 – “Bezeq-Walla Affair”
International Crimes (ICC – 2024 Arrest Warrant)
Charges from the International Criminal Court (Nov 2024):
- War crimes: Starvation as a weapon, targeting civilians.
Crimes against humanity: Murder, persecution, inhumane acts.
Related to actions in Gaza (2023–2024).
Netanyahu is accused as both a co-perpetrator and civilian superior.
So these are a good part of all the crimes committed to not add the Political Controversies.
In conclusion I don't think has a real sense saying that Israel has the right to seize all of the Arab's territories because that is fucking nonsense it's basically hiding all the proofs. Have a great day.
I said some things due to the space I perfectly know that there were some jews communities in Palestine before even 1897, and cospiracy theory about what? Why jews have been living in yiddish, dutch, german, italian, greek, polish, american and more other communities before the holocaust and said nothing? The fact that the occupation and the horrors that have been done in Palestine is not an excuse or a justify for "thousands of years of persecutions". And it's not deniying one of the darkest part of our history saying that if jews have been living all around the world for thousands of years and said nothing. Of course the zionists that believe in the Torah and so the Holy Land always have been here, but in fact they didn't occupy with force a land where they hadn't lived for years. Even one of the most influential historian in Italy, Mario Liverani, in the book 'Oltre la Bibbia: Storia Antica di Israele'(I don't know how it's called in english I'm sorry) says that even in the past there wasn't an homogeneous people settled in Palestine professing Jew religion.
Nothing says “well-researched historical analysis” like lumping every Jew on the planet into a single monolithic group and then time-traveling straight from 135 A.D. to the modern era, skipping a couple thousand years of, you know, actual Jewish presence, migration, and history in the region[3][5]. Clearly, if you just ignore the centuries of Jewish communities living in places like Jerusalem, Hebron, and Safed, and all those waves of migration in the 19th century, it makes the story so much simpler-and who needs nuance when you’ve got a good rant, right?
And let’s not forget: Zionism just popped out of nowhere because a bunch of people woke up one day and said, “Hey, let’s start a nationalist movement for fun!” Never mind the pogroms, the Haskalah, or the fact that Theodor Herzl and his friends were responding to centuries of persecution and a desire for self-determination. I mean, who cares that the first Zionist Congress was in 1897, or that Jews were buying land and building communities in Palestine decades before 1948? Details, details.
So yes, maybe before speaking, you should definitely read some history-just not the kind that gets in the way of a perfectly good conspiracy theory!
Chatknight is right. Let me show you a speech I once made for Keystone, something similar to TedEx with 100 people in the audience.
“Let me start by showing you a photo you might have seen on social media.” People start chanting, “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free,” because other people chant it. Most of them don’t even know what they’re chanting; neither do they understand what river and sea they’re talking about. However, hopefully, by the end of this talk, you will understand.
Hi, my name is Adam. I am a Jew who lives in Miami and was born in Israel.
Let's go back in time to the voting of the United Nations in 1947. The UN Member States were voting on how to split the British Mandate territory, now known as Israel, between the Jews and the Arabs. (Show map) The proposal stated that the Jews would get the orange parts, and the Arabs would get the yellow ones. Jerusalem would stay as an international territory. For it to be accepted, two-thirds of the U.N. member states would need to support the plan.
“Here is the vote”
(Chart of voting)
33 countries voted for the plan, including the U.S.A, France, the U.K., and the Soviet Union, and only 13 voted against it. Thus, the Jews got part of the British territory. This was the first time the Jews had a legal right to their land, Israel.
The Arab countries included in the Partition Plan were not happy, so four months later, they started a war against the newly formed Jewish state, called the War of Independence.
The Jewish state defeated the Arabs, conquering additional territories. [show the map] Here in the map, the blue represents what the Jews got in the Partition Plan, the orange and that little gray dot representing West Jerusalem are what Israel captured in the War of Independence, and the green and pink are what the Arabs still had after the war. These borders were recognized, or legally accepted, when Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, and Jordan signed legal ceasefire agreements with Israel, known as the 1949 Armistice Agreements,
and the war ended.
So, is that it? Does Israel finally have peace?
No. Only 18 years later, in June 1967, the Six-Day War emerged between Israel and the Arab states surrounding it. (Show map) Israel won the war and captured the West Bank (including East Jerusalem,) the Gaza Strip, the Golan Heights, and the Sinai Peninsula. After the war, the U.N. offered a resolution, Resolution 242, in which Israel would give the Arabs the land they captured in the Six-Day War in exchange for peace. Israel accepted, but the Arabs declined.
However, [show the map] the borders are different today. Here is how we got there: A few years later, in 1979, Israel made peace with Egypt. (((Show Map))) As part of the peace treaty, Israel gave Egypt back the captured Sinai Peninsula (((Zoom in))) and Egypt legally recognized Israel’s borders. The same happened with Jordan in 1994 (((Show Map))) when Israel gave Jordan some territories for peace and Jordan officially recognized Israel's border. Also, In the Oslo Accords, starting in 1993, (((Show Map))) Israel made an agreement with the Palestine Liberation Organization in which Israel gave them almost full control over Judea and Samaria. (((Zoom in))) Lastly, the most relevant for now, in the disengagement plan in 2005, (((Show Map))) Israel unilaterally withdrew from the Gaza Strip. (((Zoom in)))The only borders that are still not fully recognized are the Lebanese, Syrian, and East Jerusalem ones.
As you can see, several events changed Israel’s borders. The U.N. Partition Plan, wars, the ceasefire agreements, and peace treaties. So let’s go back to the phrase, “From the river to the sea, Palestine should be free.”
(Go back to the 2024 map.)
“You see this river? It is the Jordan River. Do you see this sea? It is the Mediterranean Sea. Do you see what’s in between? Israel. The phrase, “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free,” calls for the establishment of an Arab state called Palestine from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, and the removal of Israelis from the whole piece of land that we know as Israel.
I challenge you to explain this to the next person you hear chanting this phrase.
So, what do you think? Should from the river to the sea Palestine be free?
These are the pictures that go with it:
https://www.canva.com/design/DAGDn9codaE/nGlLaFNlJkp3I-Ja44yjrw/edit?utm_content=DAGDn9codaE&utm_campaign=designshare&utm_medium=link2&utm_source=sharebutton
you only have 7 October as only argument?
I wanted humour, NOT THE MOST RIDICULOUS ARGUMENT THAT YOU CAN PUT ON AND SAYING IT ISN'T A GENOCIDE. LOOK AT THE STATISTICS: OVER 15.000 CHILDREN KILLED AND OVER 50.000 CIVILIANS AND OVER 150.000 INJURED. ARE YOU SERIOUS?😭
To be clear I'm not attacking you and your character but the things that you just said
You want humor? My 3rd argument is in a light tone.
I didn't think that even the evidences of what the IDF has been doing is just some "crimes", I hope you aren't serious 😭🙏
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