Non-Orthodox Jews cannot find a good reason to oppose converting to Christianity.
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I am a neutral side, neither jewish nor christian. But I am arguing the Con side of this position.
(This debate is inspired by AdaptableRatman, but anyone is welcome to accept.)
Both sides were poor debaters in this debate. Let me be very clear on that.
Con intentionally forfeited 3 out of 4 Rounds. I don't care the he posted 2 of the 3. He really FF'd. The problem is so did Pro but with 1 Round less of intent.
Con basically plagiarised a website using copy paste to make his arguments. That website blatantly is geared towards Talmudic Jews and at the very least severely Conservative ones.
https://jewsforjudaism.org/about-jews-for-judaism
If you scroll down to the images with the bearded men it blatabtky is an Orthodoxy movement behind the website.
Pro noticed 0 of this. Con used literal Talmudic reasoning and Orthodox are among the Jews that hold Talmud, written after Christ was around, to dismiss hom based on redefinitions of what the Messiah had to fulfil or ignoring that Christianity did spread around the world and did hell world peace eventually happen.
The fact Pro dropped all of this and says now it is time for Voters to 'pick favourites when he had 2 different Rounds still left to reply to Con, loses the debate for him.
As for Pro's case, it seems he is trying to explain how Christianity opens up Judaism's faith and heaven to gentiles. I don't really know what to do with that since he doesn't address the fact that in Round 3 of 4, Con raises some reasons to dismiss Jesus as the Jewish prophecied Messiah (but these were mostly Talmudic reasons which is what is so utterly irritating).
There is nothing we can really do but vote arguments to Con. I don't think copy-pasting ones entire constructive out of a solo linked source should win the sources point.
"AdaptableRatman
05.17.2025 05:08PM
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Is Mall gonna win this? LOL"
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So just a matter of agreement for either side plus interpretation.
no.
Is Mall gonna win this? LOL
This is a ridiculous topic
It demonstrates a lack of understanding of Judaism in general and the denominations within it in particular.
Any person, including any and every Jew can have a reason not to convert - he or she doesn't believe in the validity, authenticity, or utility of Jesus or the Christian writings.
>any voter can consider any reason good
Well, they're supposed to vote based on who makes the better argument. Arguing over whether something is good or not is one of the most common categories of debate on this site.
any voter can consider any reason good.
Fear of old covenant still being active is a huge reason meaning Christianity would be only for gentiles, if correct.
I'm guessing "good reasons" is the crux of the debate.
Obviously they can have reasons.