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Allah vs Yahweh

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Yahweh isn’t real but a made up impossibility and there is no God but Allah and Muhammad saw is the last and final messenger and prophet amen

Round 1
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There is only one God and there can only be one God and that is Allah swat

Yahweh is an impossibility 

First of all we don’t even know how to pronounce his name yhwh has no vowels 

He is only mentioned in the Old Testament and is described as a cold hearted merciless tyrant who commits genocide and orders genocide and even tell people to exterminate women children babies and animals!

Jesus never mentions Yahweh 

Con believes Jesus is conjoined with Yahweh as part of the trinity 

The trinity makes no sense and was fabricated in the fourth century 

The Bible never mentions trinity

Jesus never claimed to be Yahweh or to be conjoined with Yahweh so why do you believe this

Con believes Yahweh is 3 and 1 at the same time

Con also believes 3=1 which is mathematically impossible and has no proof in any scripture but was something ordinary men made up in the fourth century 

Tell me Con if Yahweh can be 3=1 why can’t he be 4=1?

If Yahweh can become a man why can’t he become a woman or animal or statue?

The Hindu God or gods are more consistent than Yahweh 

The Bible also say Yahweh is a jealous god?

Who is Yahweh jealous of??? If Yahweh is real and the only true god and other gods don’t exist what is Yahweh’s problem?

It is like me being jealous of Santa Claus when Santa Claus doesn’t even exist 

Allah is real and is more align with El Eli or Elohim in the Bible 

Jesus called god Eli not Yahweh 

The Bible has changed we don’t have the original we don’t have the original language,

People decided themselves what goes in and what goes out of bible 

The authors of bible never claimed to be inspired by God.

Allah is real 

The Islamic narrative is the Quran was revealed to Muhammad saw by angel gabriel

There is no challenge to the Islamic narrative 

Muhammad saw couldn’t read or write so who is the author of the Quran?

The Quran contains scientific miracles and knowledge ahead of its time thousands of years ahead of its time

It mentions the embryo looks like a leech 

We recently only proved this with microscope

The Quran mentions the Big Bang and the expansion of the universe which is in line with modern cosmology 

While the Bible says the earth is flat the sky is dome of glass there’s water above the sky the universe was created in six days Yahweh got tired on the 7th

Look your Yahweh is so weak he got tired in 6 days

He is also mortal of you believe he is Jesus and if Yahweh died why do you worship a dead god?

Your Bible says light existed without  light source ie sun

And plants came before the sun while plants can’t exist without photosynthesis 

You also believe Yahweh is conjoined with a Holy Ghost 

This ghost is so big and scary it assumes the form of a pigeon a common animal cats eat

So in turn Yahweh isn’t real and it is impossible for Yahweh to exist 

Allah is real there is only one God and it’s Allah

Worship Allah alone with no partners

And follow the sunnah of the last prophet Muhammad saw the chosen one saw

InshAllah Ameen 

Thanks 
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#2
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This is me arguing against and disapproving of the teachings and the deity of Islam and Sharia. This is not me inciting hatred to the individuals that have fallen victim to this doctrine of abusive honor killings, apostate executions, lashings and more trapped in cycle of said abuse.🙏 I hope to save souls, including Pro's.

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Allah is a robbed God-concept from Judaism that then had Christianity interwoven and somehow denies both.

Muhammad founded his entire religion on a most insane notion; that Abraham, Moses, Elijah and even Jesus were secretly Muslims lying to everyone.

He then told that they were not liars, just very confused. Then he decided Mary was a virgin at the birth of Christ but nothing else about her or Jesus was special and she apparently had sex later.

The Qur'an and Hadiths revolve around mimicking Tanakh's ruthless stoning and execution mantra, amplifying it even, while simultaneously having Christian concepts such as Shaitan being the Satanic and Iblis being representative of both Lucifer and Satan. They have Jinn which are like hybrids of old testament angels and new testament demons.

They not only stole the entire concept of Y*w*h from the Tanakh, they even stole values. These include not eating pork, circumcision of males, men having innate authority over women (this gets amplified).

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Jesus, Trinity and putting it to Rest.

It is difficult to explain Trinity to many, even some Christians get it wrong. It is not 3 modes of God that he switches between since all 3 are active at all times as 3 persons.

The best way to imagine it is as follows:

One brain (God other than Jesus isn't using physical brain just try and imagine it). Around this brain is 1 head. This head has 3 faces in triangular formation. One face is Jesus, another is a white Dove's face, that is Holy Spirit and Father actually is not a man with beard etc it just helps us in our human brains to picture it to understand.

This say of imagining it helos because it is 1 mind, thus not a 3 headed entity. 1 mind, 3 Persons, all active at all times.

What I know is Father on his own lacks a body. He is away from us, we are not panentheistic. He necessitatively begot Jesus een before the human was born as far back as concerns us, Old Testament had Angel of the Lord that claimed to be God/Lord multiple times, it is likely Jesus was the OT's unnamed AotL. Not an AotL but the one.

I will give verses.

To Hagar

 The first recorded appearance of the angel of the LORD was to Hagar, Abraham's mistress, and the mother of his son Ishmael.


The angel of the LORD also said to her, "I will so greatly multiply your offspring that they cannot be counted for multitude" (Genesis 16:10).

This angel said He Himself would multiply the descendants of Hagar.

After the appearance of the angel of the LORD Hagar said.


She gave this name to the LORD who spoke to her: "You are the God who sees me," for she said, "I have now seen the One who sees me" (Genesis 16:13).

She believed that she had spoken directly to God.

To Abraham And Sarah At Mamre

 Three men appeared to Abraham and his wife Sarah at the plains of Mamre. They had come to inform Abraham and Sarah concerning two matters. The son that God had promised them would be born to Abraham and Sarah the next year, and the evil cities of Sodom and Gomorrah would be destroyed. One of the three visitors who gave them this information is specifically called the LORD.


The LORD appeared to Abraham by the oaks of Mamre, as he sat at the entrance of his tent in the heat of the day (Genesis 18:1).

To Abraham On Mount Moriah

 God told Abraham to bring his son Isaac to Mount Moriah to be sacrificed. Abraham obeyed and was about to take Isaac's life when God intervened. The angel of the LORD stopped Abraham saying:


He said, "Do not lay your hand on the boy or do anything to him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from me" (Genesis 22:12).

He called a second time to Abraham:


The angel of the LORD called to Abraham a second time from heaven (Genesis 22:15).

In this instance the angel of the LORD, who called out to Abraham, seems to be the LORD Himself.

To Jacob
This angel appeared a number of times to Jacob.


Then the angel of God said to me in the dream, 'Jacob,' and I said, 'Here I am' (Genesis 31:11).

Jacob wrestled all night with a man who finally disabled him. The next morning Jacob understood that it was God Himself whom he had wrestled:


And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved (Genesis 32:30).

At the end of his life, Jacob spoke of God, and the angel of the LORD, as identical.


the Angel who has delivered me from all harm - may He bless these boys. May they be called by my name and the names of my fathers Abraham and Isaac, and may they increase greatly upon the earth (Genesis 48:16).

Moses And The Burning Bush
The angel of the LORD appeared to Moses in the burning bush.


There the angel of the LORD appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush. Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up (Exodus 3: 2).

The angel explained who He was.


He said further, "I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob." And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look at God (Exodus 3:6).

What Islam does to handle this is it says that AotL and Holy Spirit are the same entity, Angel Gabriel. In Arabic they force the name of any mo otbeistic God to be Allah because to them semantically God is Allah.

Angel Gabriel in Arabic has the smae name as Holy Spirit, basically. This was cunning by Muhammad and his sub-Imams who intentionally made it so in Arabic as it was evolving still linguistically in this regard.

Thus they deny Trinity despite holding Tanakh of Old Testmament as true scripture by making both Holy Spirit and AotL seems to be the same entity which neither are, namely Angel Gabriel.

They completely ignore that AotL explicitly claimed to be God/Lord

Islam claims that we cannot know Allah at all as he is too complex to comprehend yet they insist they kmow he is not triune and deosn't work that way.

So, what did Jesus say?

For one example, He said that whilst we are not under law to tithe, we should still do it (Luke 23.23). In the same style, He did claim to be God.
In John 10.30, Jesus said, “The Father and I are one.”
Those present knew very well what was being said. They knew Jesus was claiming to be God by asserting His equality with God. Look at their reaction:
“The Jewish leaders picked up rocks again to stone him to death. Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good deeds from the Father. For which one of them are you going to stone me?” The Jewish leaders replied, “We are not going to stone you for a good deed but for blasphemy, because you, a man, are claiming to be God.” (John 10.31-33, NET, emphasis added)
Those present, those who heard Him, knew exactly what was being communicated, and their reactions show us that without a shadow of a doubt.
Jesus made another statement claiming to be God in John 8.58:
“Jesus said to them, “I tell you the solemn truth, before Abraham came into existence, I am!” (NET)
The reaction is the same (John 8.59) because the claim is the same: Deity.
Did Jesus claim to be God? Yes, in many ways (Matthew 14.33, cf. Luke 4.8) and with many words. Perhaps not the words we might use ourselves, but He certainly did.

What Islam forces its adherents to do is deny all this and pick and choose which parts of Bible suit their agenda.

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Hatred and violence of Qur'an

Pro wants you to believe the God that empowered Moses and was directly leading Abraham ends up teaching the following:
O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you – then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people.

^ these verses encourage and vindicate Muslims to slay any either Infidel (those against Islam even by sinning) or enemies within it. It clarifies, in context that you should relent abusinng/maiming only if they surrender to Allah.

Now for sex slaves:
Prophet Muhammad's Approval of Sexual Relations with Captives In a hadith narrated by Abu Surma (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Hadith 135), he relates a conversation about 'azl (coitus interruptus). He says, "Did you hear Allah's Messenger mentioning al-'azl?" The companions confirm they had, and then Abu Surma recounts: "We went out with Allah's Messenger on the expedition to Banu al-Mustaliq and took some Arab women as captives, and desired women and loved to do coitus interruptus ('azl), so we intended to do it. We asked Allah's Messenger, and he said, 'It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born until the Day of Resurrection will be born!" This hadith shows that during the expedition, the companions took female captives and had sexual relations with them. They sought guidance from Prophet Muhammad regarding the practice of 'azl, and he gave his approval, without addressing any concerns about the captives' consent. The lack of prohibition suggests that these captives were viewed as lawful to engage with sexually, even without their consent.

Quranic Basis for Sexual Relations with Female Captives: The Quran also supports this view. In Surah An-Nisa (4:24), it says: "And [forbidden to you are] married women except those your right hands possess. [This is] the decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are all others beyond these, provided that you seek them [in marriage] with your property, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse."

Note that in whole Qur'an the only woman mentioned is Mary and frankly disrespects her after pretending to respect her.

In Hadiths we have Muhmad being a pedophile to Aisha and women are seen solely as objects. More modern, more misogynistic.
Round 2
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Ok so the topic of the debate is Allah or Yahweh. In order for con to prove his point he must first prove Yahweh exists according to his doctrines and Allah doesn’t exist and Islam is a hoax. So far con has not done that.

Con argues tha Islam plagerized the Bible and Jewish writings and threw many strawmans. First of all prophet Muhammad saw couldn’t read or write. This is a known fact accepted by all scholars. He couldn’t read Arabic let alone Greek or Hebrew so how could he copy the Bible? The fact there are parallels between Islam and jeudochristianity proves my point. The same God authored the Quran and Bible. God sent messengers all over the world to every nation including the Hebrew nation but not just them. These prophets were for a temporary time and place. The last and final and complete prophet saw is for all times and places. The Bible has been changed since it wasn’t intended by God to be for all people and nations. The Quran is for all people and nations that’s why it’s still in it’s original form perfectly unlike the Bible.

Con misrepresented his trinity doctrine. One head with three faces is modalism or partialism both heresies in the church and a misrepresentation of the trinity. If God wears one face at a time it’s modalism. If he has all three faces conjoined it’s partialism because it’s three parts combined. The trinity makes no sense. Con quotes a lot of Bible verse but none of them are Jesus saying he is God or Yahweh or part of the trinity. Even Jesus never mentions Yahweh. So there’s no proof of his conjoined three faced Yahweh existing in the bible in the first place.

Con also says the Quran is lying by calling prophets such as Moses and Jesus Muslims. The very word Muslim means one who submits to God. So by definition they are all Muslims because they couldn’t be prophets in the first place if they don’t submit to God

Con also accuses Islam for being violent. Did he forget how violent his Yahweh is? He ordered genocides left and right and ordered to kill women children babies and animals! The Quran only permits wars in self defense and orders us to never harm women or children or animals or plants! And all Muslim wars were fought as such in self defense and they only fought armed male soldiers and not civilians or women or children. Isla is peaceful but Yahweh is a violent tyrant that hitler cannot even compare too. Con even believes Yahweh will torture hitler Ghandi and everyone regardless of they are good or evil in hell forever if they simply don’t blindly believe his contradictory existence? I think con needs to seriously sit down and think and pray for guidance Ameen.

He talks about Prophet Muhammad saw marriage with Aisha which is irrelevant to the topic but in short child marriages were a norm back then. Women didn’t work or go to school back then so when they were done playing with dolls it’s time to get married.

The Bible never once says what age we should marry and children married young in biblical times anyways so the Bible doesn’t condemn it nor can any secular argument condemn it since it has no basis in morality. And as I said it’s irrelevant to the topic because times have changed since now women work and go to school.

So in short con proved nothing but just threw red harings and straw man’s. Allah exists and Yahweh doesn’t alhumdolillah Ameen 
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Stolen/plagiarised ideas from Judaism and Christianity in Islam

Pro decides to 'flex' to us that the holy prophet of Islam was apparently entirely illiterate.

He definitely could not write well, reading may not have been a 0 for him. Muhammad did however know about Judaism and Christianity. He knew by ear and spoken gospel.

This is proven in a multitude of ways. First of all in Islam, it says Muhammad declared Abraham (Ibrahim), Moses (Musa), Jesus (Isa), and Mary (Maryam) as valid prophets. However, after some confusion that the misogynist would call Mary a prophet, it became widely agreed that Mariam was messenger (Rasul) and not prophet (Nabi).

Sub-point about Quranic misogyny
Mary is the only woman in the entire Qur'an that is named.

In the entire Qur'an women are never directly talked to. All teachings specific to women are talked about as third person and yet male teachings are far more often talked to in second person (you) or first as in Muhammad tells about himself as a man and what men should do with 'we', 'us' and 'our' wording.

Here some concrete examples:
  1. There's a whole chapter "النساء"(the women) but no "men" chapter. And in the women chapter, rulings about women are given in the POV of men.
  2. in alnisaa(women) chapter verse 128 vs. verse 34. Here it's interesting because it's almost the same message, one for men and one for women. but in 34 (for men) it says : والاتي تخافون نشوزهن. so the quran directly talks to men. but in 128 (for women) it says: و ان امرأة خافت من بعلها نشوزا. so it talks about the women in third person.
  3. Verse 12 in alnisaa about the heritage. The case when the husband/wife dies. The case where the wife dies the quran uses: you (و لكم نصف ما ترك ازواجكم), the husband case however it switches to third person (و لهن الربع).
  4. All kinds of male specific rulings. like polygamie or the right to sleep with your slave. The quran doesnt neutrally state that it's allowed. Rather the quran directly speaks in you form although women also read the quran and it doesnt apply to them. Note that the other way never happens. Women specific rulings like hijab are explictly stated for example in the form of, "oh prophet tell to the women" (Al-Ahzaab 59 or Al-Nur 31). As a man whenever the quran says "you", then it's valid. Women need extra interpretation and fiqh layer to derive which rules are only for men.
  5. baqarah 187: هن لباس لكم و انتم لباس لهن Here in one verse the quran explains what men are to women and what women are to men (not sure how to translate libas). But again uses the male POV instead of a neutral which would be: هن لباس لهم و هم لباس لهن. So it says: you(men) are libas to them(women) , and they are libas to you
  6. In paradise the quran shows us the male POV (most stuff is gender neutral anyways like food) . hooris (حور العين ) are mentioned often and are not just mates, but specific that they are females for the muslim men. There are no women specific rewards.
  7. I know of no instance where the quran directly speaks to women exclusively. Only exceptions are the wifes of the prophet (Al-Ahzaab 32) or ofcourse when the quran speaks to all muslims (the women would be automatically involved)

So back to the main point, did Islam base itself on stolen/plagiarised ideas? Yes.

In contrast to Christianity that claims Jesus is the Jewish Messiah and upholds Tanakh scripture as part of its old testament holy text, Islam picks and chooses what parts of Judaism and Christianity suit it, to discredit both.

They claim, as I have already said, that Moses, Abraham, Jesus and many others significant in Judaism and Christianity were secretly Muslims that were either liars or too stupid (sorry to God for saying this) to know better.

The religion of Islam would have you believe that the holy prophets before Muhammad all were either liars or confused and/or stupid. They fake respecting Jesus saying peace be upon him yet they discredit everything he taught and say they know better.

The most severe example is indeed what Pro is fixated on, did Jesus claim to be God? Yes, several times. I already gave examples. How can the same man saying he and the father are one or he has seen all the father has seen and as old as the father (concept being he was begotten by Father outside of time itself) be not claiming to be God?

Why would Islam be claiming to not eat pork, circumcise, have a sabbath day which for them is Friday, reject lgbtq so on and so forth if the religion is not based on Judaism and also Christianity? It even has a tale of Iblis/Shaitan and Jinns which is akin to Satan and fallen angels except Jinn are also angelic at times. Yes, you need to realise in Islam the demons and Iblis itself are all doing Allah's will. That is because in Islam they think God is not good. They think he is also evil and we are to be fearful slaves to a tyrannical  yet merciful master rather than willing servants acting slavelike to a loving, caring king or lord. The phrase 'slave of Allah' brings a Muslims joy and peace, this is also why Islamic.culture is consistently tyrannical and anti democratic. I am not judging it I am observing it. If Allah is the real God, it would make sense to be that way as Allah is a tyrant and wants worldwide slavery. This of course is one of the biggest issues with the faith inside of democracies as it is incompatible but that is another debate for another time.


Did Jesus claim to be God in difering words and contextually make it blatant? Yes many times.

Examples of Jesus' claims to be God:
  • John 8:58:
    "Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am." 


  • John 14:6:
    "Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father unless through me." 


  • John 14:9:
    "Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?" 


  • John 10:30:
    "Jesus said, "I and the Father are one." 


  • John 1:1:
    "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." 


  • Hebrews 1:3:
    "...the radiance of the glory of God and the exact representation of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power." 


    Other instances:
    • Jesus forgives sins (Mark 2:5-7) and claims to be the Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:23-28). 


  • He states that he will send his angels (Matthew 13:41, Luke 12:8-9). 


  • He claims to be the one who will judge the world (Matthew 25:31-46). 


  • He claims to have the power to raise himself from the dead (John 2:19, 10:17-18). 

  • He claims to have the authority to forgive sins (Mark 2:5). 

  • He claims to be sent from Heaven (John 6:38, John 4:34, John 3:13). 

  • He claims to be the light of the world (John 8:12). 

  • He claims to be the gate for the sheep (John 10:9). 

  • He claims to be the resurrection and the life (John 11:25). 
    • Google AI citing Bible.

    Pro seems to deny that is blatantly Jesus claiming to be God.

    Trinity and Heresies

    The modalism heresy is to say God is 1 of them at a time.

    Modalists believe God is one entity who changes modes as He sees fit. Hence, He was God the Father in the Old Testament, shifted into God the Son (Jesus Christ) in the New Testament, and now operates as the Holy Spirit. It logically follows that no divine mode can be eternal or distinct.

    I did not commit modalism heresy. I also said it is an anlogy not the reality. Trinity is not 3 faces around 1 brain because God does not need a brain, Jesus happens to have one as he has maintained his resurrected body that we dont know how different a glorified body is to his unenhanced human one to know if he uses brain or not, he doesn't need it once ascended. The reason he doesn't need it necessarily is because he thinks with God's single mind. As a human he allowed the Father Person to restrict him somewhat so he had divine knowledge at times but not pure omniscience. Hensce how he could be surprised or change his mind at times. Jesus was God experiencing genuine human life. It helped God realise what life is like as a human rather than just know all the details and data, he got an actual first-hand experience. That is also why he forgave us for our sins as he died on the Cross. It was because he experienced first-hand the human struggle rather than knowing about it, actually experiencing it led to us being forgiven.

    Jesus, God and HS as 3 faces around 1 brain is a good way to imagine trinity for a nonbeliever such as Pro, to grasp it fast.

    It cannot be modalism heresy as all 3 are active at all times.

    Partialism Heresy is actually what even some Catholics do when describing trinity, not just Protestants. They say Father is creator and enforcer, Jesus is Word and Holy Spirit is the love/heart. This is true but by only describing it that way it sounds as if each is 1/3 of God rather than 100% God. 3 faces around 1 brain is a metaphor. Firstly Father has no face. I do not know why Catholics or others draw a man with white beard etc. maybe it helps us picture him but that is clearly not him. In fact Father is not physically male how Jesus is. He is masculine by his aura and chosen personality. Hily Spirit thus is a masculine male dove in his person.

    All 3 have 1 mind, 1 will and are 3 persons active at all times.

    I do not need to explain how it works to win this debate. I only need to disprove that it is impissible or untenable.

    Regarding child marriage and violence

    Aisha was 6. She was grommed by Muhammad from even earlier than that tog et her parents to let her go. He married her at 6 ir at least lived with her as if she was a wife. Did the 'deed' at 8 towards 9 (it was 9th lunar birthday which is still 8 solar).

    The fact Muhammad made child marriage normalised is a huge issue.

    Christians were minimum 12 when getting married. 6 was not normal.

    Why does Islam tell us to be violent to others? Why does it declare all Jews and Christians as enemies and say any Muslim.befriending them is an enemy too.
    Round 3
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    Pro
    #5
    Once again the debate topic was Allah vs Yahweh. Con has once again failed to prove his three faced tyrant named yahweh and disprove the God of Islam or that Islam is a hoax. Con instead posts irrelevant red harrings left and right that have nothing to do with the debate.

    The Quran in multiple places says the prophet saw was illiterate which con agrees. Con makes the claim prophet Muhammad saw orally heard the Bible and Judaism and Christianity 

    Con has no proof of this he is making that up.

    The majority of the people in Arabia were pagans why would they tell him about the Bible?

    There is no proof anywhere form where I heard that prophet saw would listen to stories from Christians? There is no proof of this.

    Furthermore why the Quran correct all the Bible’s mistakes? For example the king of Egypt wasn’t called pharaoh during the time of Joseph . This was a mistake the Bible made but the Quran got right? How would someone living 1400 years ago who never went to school never learned how to read and write know this? How can he plagiarize correct events and not incorrect ones? Explain con?

    And con again accuses Islam for lying by saying the previous prophets were Muslims?

    Con did you read my arguments? Or do you have some script you are plagiarizing?

    What does Muslim mean?

    What is the literal definition of Muslim?

    It is one who submits to God

    Did the prophets submit to god?

    Yes or no?

    Yes!

    Con please read my arguments and think before you publish irrelevant material 

    Again Jesus never used the exact words “I am God!”

    Con quotes stuff like I and the father are one

    Jesus later prays his disciples be one also.

    Should the disciples be part of the trinity?

    No it means one in purpose 

    Jesus spoke in parables and metaphors 

    I and the father are one means one in purpose

    Jesus being the son of god is metaphorical for being a godly person.

    No one on the face of the planet believes Jesus is biologically begotten by god as physical organisms are.

    Con says Yahweh has one brain and three faces

    First of all where did con get this heresy? It’s not mentioned in the Bible or early church fathers or even in the council of Nicaea or any Christian council doctrine or creed.

    Con made this up.

    It is basically partialism 

    And if God has one brain or mind then he is one not three

    God is invisible so how does con know God looks like this? And how can he if he’s immaterial and has no nose eyes ears moth face head and isn’t made of atoms?

    Con I pray you come to Islam because you are confused.

    Also the Bible has changed and isn’t in its original form like the Quran is so we can’t trust it since we don’t know how much of it has been tampered with.

    For example if I’m a scientist doing an experiment and my sample has been tampered with then my results will be unreliable.

    So the Bible is unreliable to begin with. Jesus doesn’t specifically say he’s God which suggests this probably wasn’t his claim. And all the verse that suggests something similar to being God could for all we know be fabricated since we don’t know how much of the Bible ordinary scribes actually altered?

    And the stuff con says about Mary and women in Islam is totally irrelevant to the debate?

    Morality is derived from God which both con and I agree so if God says something is good how can con claim different.

    Atheists have no basis in morality so I don’t know why con is quoting atheism? Con has no basis in his arguments against Islam 

    I already proved Yahweh is way more violent than Islam and con hasn’t addressed that point at all

    The rest of con’s point are irrelevant to the debate?

    And the marriage of Aisha ra is also irrelevant to the debate and doesn’t have prove anything in con’s favor.

    If Aisha herself and her father and God himself never had a problem with what is con’s business in butting into someone’s personal life 1000 years ago

    Comparing today’s culture with 1400 years ago is a historical fallacy and con is just repeating debunked arguments of islamaphobes and plagerizing them and con himself doesn’t know what he is talking about.

    Audience please don’t let con’s long paragraphs deceive you. He has posted no good relevant argument in them and doesn’t know what he is talking about. And his position stance and arguments make no sense.

    This is a common sense question souls we worship one God who created the universe and that creator alone or should we worship con’s three faced tyrant monster? This is common sense and the difference between heaven and hell

    The purpose of this debate is not to prove who is smarter? Me or con? It is to show what is the truth and to save souls from hellfire

    Please vote for the truth and more importantly believe the truth because you’re going to your own grave and the fate of your soul is between you and the true god ameen 
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    AdaptableRatman
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    If Islam holds Moses, Abraham and Jesus as holy prophets, it follows that we can observe the reality; it stole ideas from both.

    It does not list tabakh as holy scripture, nor Bible.

    The reality is that the entire concpt of Allah obviously has some true elements because Islam stole ideas from Old Testament aa well as some from New.

    Islam is misogynistic, encourages hatred to jews and christians, violence to all non believers and apostates leaving Islam and generally is rooted in fear and abuse. Look are Sharia nations if you don't believe .e.