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Topic
#620

Jacque Fresco was more intelligent and respect-worthy than Sun Tzu

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The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
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6
Better sources
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4
Better legibility
2
2
Better conduct
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2

After 2 votes and with 7 points ahead, the winner is...

RationalMadman
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@Ramshutu

Before speaking to me about 'if this wasn't against the worst debater on the site, you would have lost.' look at the elo of all the debaters who lost to you and assess how 'tough' they all were. You thrive solely on picking on easy opponents whereas I experiment against the strong from time to time but purely out of efficiency, most of my opponents are weak at debating and I ensure to exploit their weaknesses throughout. I wouldn't have debated the same way against an opponent with better emotional resilience and debate-structure.

"force the entire population of China into slavery so they could build him a giant sky-scraper sized steel dildo to get his rocks off with."
Ok, why did that point come from pro? It clearly shows how intelligent ST was to organize such... (not including this in my vote, it was just really funny to me)

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@Pinkfreud08

The ending is pure gold. I look forward to your vote. ;)

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@RationalMadman

I will try to get to it either tomorrow or today.

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@David
@blamonkey
@whiteflame
@Titanium

See below. :)

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@Swagnarok
@Barney
@Ramshutu
@TheRealNihilist
@Pinkfreud08

A vote would be highly appreciated, this is a properly entertaining debate where I believe I have done Sun Tzu's soul proud by how intensely accurately I applied the Art of War to this debate. This debate is quite literally the epitome of what Sun Tzu himself would have done against the opponent psychologically, I am very proud of myself and hope Tzu is too. <3

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@RationalMadman

But capitalism is the cause of cancer. Because of people like him cancer exists.

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@Type1

Not funny

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@RationalMadman

Well that's just lovely. I hope he gets cancer lol.

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@Type1

Swagnarok is an old-school conservative.

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@Swagnarok

Jacque Fresco was in fact more "important" than Sun Tzu. He created the Resource Based Economy system which is the most advanced socio-economic system that has yet been conceived.

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@Swagnarok

The Romans had no proper basis of their strategies. This is why they have ended up wiped out. The parts they did well, all happened post-Tzu and arguably were because they heard about and studied a little into how Chinese dynasties were evolving. I can show you objectively that the Romans were inferior to the Ancient Chinese, in strategy.

The Byzantines developed treatises on the intricacies of war, as did possibly the Romans before them. And of course, Machiavelli wrote to a very similar tune circa the Renaissance period. That is to say, Sun Tzu was a visionary for his time and his society, but overall he laid out a set of principles that other people elsewhere in the world were eventually able to discover and elaborate on for the purposes of their own societies. I suspect that he ultimately did not have much of an impact on the West, aside from certain corporate contexts today where he might as well be required reading material.

That has nothing to do with this debate, of course. I have no idea who the other guy is, and I'm sure he's nowhere near as important as Sun Tzu was.

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@RationalMadman

She probably doesn't think at all.

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@Type1

I said the former, not the latter. She probably thinks both, though.

Yes well this is exactly how it works on this site, when it's left up to idiots like her and the other idiots on this site the winner will be the incorrect one every time. I may as well just fucking lie constantly and only come up with debates for the purpose of getting votes rather than arguing for what I actually think is true.

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@Type1

It's probably the former. The ending is the wife gets so angry and sad that... Don't wanna spoil it but the trailer on YT spoils it so wtf lol...

Still don't know exactly what she's implying but it's either that I am abusive or that she is stupid enough to think I got beaten in this debate.

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@Type1

It's a movie about severe domestic abuse.

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@Titanium

What are you talking about?

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@Type1

I'm thinking about brunch on Thursday, did you want to join me at First Watch Typo?

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@Type1

Let's say it's so. The reason I admit that's possible, is I lose even recently to people.

Then adapt to the stupidity of the readers, take on board the gap in their understanding. Observe what led them to misinterpret your case and to fondly enjoy the opponents' case and garner knowledge.

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@RationalMadman

I have literally never lost to you in reality. I am correct every time and superior to you in general, if you want I can show you what I can do if I use your bullshit tactics to deceive the voters.

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@Type1

How many times have we face-off? How many times have I lost?

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

But, the quote on my profile is also true. Bonaparte tells us to not underestimate how fast the enemy will learn about us if we face them too many times. I pay attention to how often I face you and how you are adapting to me.

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@RationalMadman

You are literally lying all throughout this debate, I am simply making outrageous and obviously false claims to surpass the absurdity of your own lies. Because this wasn't a debate, you turned it into a "come up with the most outrageous and negative way to portray the opponent's person" contest.

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@Type1

You see it that way now. Look back at this debate when you are calm and see who had more lies in what they said.

I brought out the liar and insulter in you, you allowed me to. This is what ST taught me amongst much else.

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@RationalMadman

You have reduced this debate to nothing but who can come up with the most outrageous lies. If you think this is a brilliant strategy then you can eat a fucking cock. If you do "win" this debate then all I can say is I am probably the only person here who has any brains.

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@Type1

that is the power of ST being carried out by me. Every single thing I did in the debate was at least in part done to make you lose your mind. It is your greatest weakness.

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@RationalMadman

So pissed off at your dishonesty and stupidity right now.

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@Type1

"there has never ever been an inventor "

I meant "here has never ever been an inventor OTHER THAN ST"

I'll correct this in my R2.