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same1234
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Topic
#6204

Christianity is the "correct" religion

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Religion
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Standard
Number of rounds
5
Time for argument
Two days
Max argument characters
10,000
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Two weeks
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Mall
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Round 1
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same1234
Pro
#1
i reckon it is because it is clear there is a god so that means there has to be some religion which is true. Christianity is the only one that makes sense. 
Do you believe there is another correct one or are you just none at all
ill leave it at that for now.
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Mall
Con
#2

"i reckon it is because it is clear there is a god so that means there has to be some religion which is true. Christianity is the only one that makes sense. 
Do you believe there is another correct one or are you just none at all
ill leave it at that for now."

What is the proof there is a god and further more what is the proof that a thing called christianity is associated with this god or came from this god?

Do you actually have proof to demonstrate your case or are you just looking to conversate opinions?

I can't say there is another correct religion or not except for the individual which is not objective but subjective to.

Last time I checked religions are faith based, not fact based. There is nothing that is proven as of yet except to the individual belonging to that faith.

I yield.
Round 2
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same1234
Pro
#3
i dont have much time to do this argument so ill briefly discuss points. 

1. "What is the proof there is a god"

lots of proof. 
the universe is a created universe - it had a beginning, and it couldnt have created itself. it needs something outside of our 3 dimensions to create these 3 dimensions. a computer code couldnt have created the computer. it needs another dimension (us) to put the wires together and the plastic together to form that computer. and the computer definitely didnt form by chance.
Then the moral argument, im not gonna go deep into it for now but the basics is just that what defines good and bad. what makes it so wrong about killing someone. "because it takes a life" you might ask. why is that bad. whats so wrong with that. 
also you may ask "well we need hard evidence to prove god". well its pretty hard to measure somehting outside of our 3 dimensions with tools within the 3 dimensions. its like code in a computer trying to observe who created the computer. it cant do it. the best evidence we have is: the bible, jesus, and miracles from god, which are seriously real.


2. "Do you actually have proof to demonstrate your case"
"what is the proof that a thing called Christianity is associated with this god or came from this god?"

there is easily lots of evidence about these things:
a)jesus was a real person
b)he claimed to be the messiah
c) he did perform miracles which his eneimies accused him of using black magic for it. 
d) he got crucified
e)the tomb was empty
f) the apostles all died horrible deaths because of their faith, they wouldnt do it for a lie. especially if they got nothing out of it except mockery and death. unlike other religions like muhummad who got famous and rich. 

ill leave it at that for now




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Mall
Con
#4
"the universe is a created universe - it had a beginning, and it couldnt have created itself."

How do you know it couldn't?

You have no proof of this. You did not witness this, did you? This is a very shallow assertion. You're essentially trying to argue cause and effect and you have no proof that the law of causality even existed at that instance .

Many people assert causality without evidence because were subjects to it so it's hard to contemplate anything without it.

But you have to remember that we're probably speaking of what was before everything. We don't know.

We have our beliefs. That's different. But beliefs exist because we have no proof.

" it needs something outside of our 3 dimensions to create these 3 dimensions. a computer code couldnt have created the computer. it needs another dimension (us) to put the wires together and the plastic together to form that computer. and the computer definitely didnt form by chance."

See this is what I mean. This is all based on rules within this reality we're in. But before this reality of rules , what was it?


"Then the moral argument, im not gonna go deep into it for now but the basics is just that what defines good and bad. what makes it so wrong about killing someone. "because it takes a life" you might ask. why is that bad. whats so wrong with that. "

This has nothing to do with proving God nor proving Christianity is associated with God nor proving Christianity is correct.


"also you may ask "well we need hard evidence to prove god". well its pretty hard to measure somehting outside of our 3 dimensions with tools within the 3 dimensions. its like code in a computer trying to observe who created the computer. it cant do it"

Well there you go. You concede it can't be done.

"the best evidence we have is: the bible, jesus, and miracles from god, which are seriously real."

This is not evidence. If it was evidence, it wouldn't be a religion. It's a faith. Now an individual with faith can look at the scripture as the word from the Almighty God Jesus Christ , which would be the substance of things hoped for, evidence of things not seen.

However, the revelation is given to those it is given to . So it's for all intent and purposes, it is not evidence. At least not in an objective fashion.

"there is easily lots of evidence about these things:
a)jesus was a real person
b)he claimed to be the messiah
c) he did perform miracles which his eneimies accused him of using black magic for it. 
d) he got crucified
e)the tomb was empty
f) the apostles all died horrible deaths because of their faith, they wouldnt do it for a lie. especially if they got nothing out of it except mockery and death. unlike other religions like muhummad who got famous and rich. 

ill leave it at that for now"

None of this proves Christianity came from God or is associated with God. Not God in the scriptures .
You can't read anywhere in that book where Jesus or God established Christianity. It was a complete man made invention.

So bottomline, when it comes to God , religion, it's all faith. Even the scripture says , blessed are those who believe and have not seen. So this moot debate on the existence of God and trying to prove a correct religion, let alone Christianity is not even supported by the biblical scripture. You're wayyyyy off.

P.S. if you want to discuss or debate was is the correct religion according to the Bible, let me know.
Round 3
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same1234
Pro
#5
Sorry mate I have like no time left and I’m really busy at the moment, I promise this isn’t an excuse or anything, I will still directly address your arguments in the next round I just have no time now sorry. 

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Mall
Con
#6
Forfeited
Round 4
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same1234
Pro
#7
"P.S. if you want to discuss or debate was is the correct religion according to the Bible, let me know."
sure. lets hear your points. 
Also i have like no time again

"See this is what I mean. This is all based on rules within this reality we're in. But before this reality of rules , what was it?"

exactly my point. before us. what was it. it wouldve had to have been something other than us or greater than us if we were to come into existence

"This has nothing to do with proving God nor proving Christianity is associated with God nor proving Christianity is correct."

It does. There would have to have been a basis of the right and wrong... look it up i dont have time - i know its poor debating on my end

"Well there you go. You concede it can't be done."

i never saud that dont put words in my mouth. i said if you want hard evidence like measuring something. surely you agree if there was a god you wouldnt be able to measure him with a ruler.


Mall's avatar
Mall
Con
#8
"exactly my point. before us. what was it. it wouldve had to have been something other than us or greater than us if we were to come into existence"

This is an assertion, not a fact. Do you know the difference?

This is what you think based on what ?

Some rule , right. But let's say that rule didn't exist..... before it existed....it would not apply. So it points you back at square one again.

Are you actually trying to prove something or just speak on what you think happened?


The rest of what you had to say is just opinion. Just forfeit. You don't have time anyway. You need more time to rethink your points.

Debate over.


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