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#6208
The Star Wars Sequel Trilogy Should NOT Be Canon As It Contradicts The Entire Saga
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Round 1
Hello FishChaser, thank you for joining me today. This is my first debate on DebateArt, and I am excited to see how this goes. First of all, I would like to explain a bit more on what my hopes are for this debate. I want this debate to be a friendly debate for fun and not extremely competitive. Even though I will be very strong with my points, I want to make sure it is clear that I am just here to have fun. Thank you.
Now to begin.
While progressing through this debate, I will be making my points better and more persuasive as the debate goes on. In other words, I will be saving my best points for last.
Point Number 1: Light Speed Skipping (Mentioned in The Rise of Skywalker)
Point Goal: I will be proving the inconsistency of the new hyperspace strategy introduced in The Rise of Skywalker by Poe Dameron called "Lightspeed Skipping" and how it directly contradicts how hyperspace works in both the original and prequel trilogies.
Violation of Gravity Well Rules
- In earlier Star Wars films and expanded lore, ships cannot enter hyperspace while within a planet’s gravity well. This is why ships traditionally need to clear planetary mass before making the jump. However, in The Rise of Skywalker, Poe Dameron performs multiple rapid hyperspace jumps while still within planetary atmospheres, contradicting this fundamental rule.
- In earlier Star Wars films and expanded lore, ships cannot enter hyperspace while within a planet’s gravity well. This is why ships traditionally need to clear planetary mass before making the jump. However, in The Rise of Skywalker, Poe Dameron performs multiple rapid hyperspace jumps while still within planetary atmospheres, contradicting this fundamental rule.
- Lack of Navigation Calculations
- Hyperspace travel has always required precise calculations to avoid collisions with celestial bodies. The Millennium Falcon’s Navicomputer or Force-assisted piloting (as seen with Luke Skywalker in A New Hope) ensures safe travel. Lightspeed skipping, however, involves jumping randomly without calculations, which should result in catastrophic collisions.
- Hyperspace travel has always required precise calculations to avoid collisions with celestial bodies. The Millennium Falcon’s Navicomputer or Force-assisted piloting (as seen with Luke Skywalker in A New Hope) ensures safe travel. Lightspeed skipping, however, involves jumping randomly without calculations, which should result in catastrophic collisions.
- Contradiction with Hyperspace Tracking
- In The Last Jedi, the First Order develops hyperspace tracking, allowing them to follow ships through hyperspace. If lightspeed skipping were a viable tactic, it would have been used by the Resistance to evade pursuit rather than relying on slow sublight travel.
- In The Last Jedi, the First Order develops hyperspace tracking, allowing them to follow ships through hyperspace. If lightspeed skipping were a viable tactic, it would have been used by the Resistance to evade pursuit rather than relying on slow sublight travel.
- Stress on the Ship
- The film briefly mentions that lightspeed skipping puts undue stress on the Millennium Falcon, yet the ship continues functioning without major consequences. This contradicts previous instances where hyperspace malfunctions (such as in The Empire Strikes Back) led to severe mechanical failures.
- The film briefly mentions that lightspeed skipping puts undue stress on the Millennium Falcon, yet the ship continues functioning without major consequences. This contradicts previous instances where hyperspace malfunctions (such as in The Empire Strikes Back) led to severe mechanical failures.
Conclusion
Lightspeed skipping appears to be a narrative convenience rather than a logical extension of Star Wars hyperspace mechanics. It disregards established rules regarding gravity wells, navigation, and ship durability, making it inconsistent to the older trilogies.
QUESTIONS FOR CONTENDER REGARDING THIS POINT:
Question 1: If lightspeed skipping aligns with Star Wars physics, why does it contradict established hyperspace rules explained in films, books, and official sources like the Star Wars Encyclopedia?
Question 2: Lightspeed skipping was never mentioned in previous Star Wars films. If it were possible, why wouldn’t pilots like Han Solo, Obi-Wan, or even the Empire have used it in situations where evasion was critical?
Question 3: If lightspeed skipping is a viable way to evade pursuit, why wasn’t it used in The Last Jedi when the Resistance was being tracked through hyperspace?
Thank you.
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Round 2
Hello, my next argument will be expanding on The Absence of Consequences for Major Galactic Events in the Star Wars sequel trilogy, here’s why these issues make the story feel inconsistent with established lore:
1. The Destruction of Hosnian Prime and the Lack of Panic
- In The Force Awakens, the First Order destroys Hosnian Prime, wiping out the New Republic’s Senate and fleet.
- Despite this catastrophic event, the immediate political and military repercussions are never explored.
- The galaxy doesn’t react—there are no signs of rebellion, panic, or power struggles, unlike the slow decline of the Republic in the prequels.
- Contrast this with A New Hope, where the destruction of Alderaan is framed as a pivotal moment, influencing Leia’s actions and the Rebellion’s urgency. The lack of consequences for the destruction of Hosnian Prime and the rise of the First Order weakens the story’s credibility. Previous trilogies carefully explored how major events shaped the galaxy, while the sequels skip over these crucial details, making their conflict feel less grounded and artificially forced.
2. The Resistance’s Power Imbalance
- The Resistance, intended to be a small paramilitary force, is suddenly expected to stand alone against the First Order without New Republic support.
- Yet, the Resistance’s lack of resources, fleet, and manpower is not adequately addressed—how do they continue fighting after losing their supposed ally?
- Even after the battle of Crait in The Last Jedi, where the Resistance is reduced to dozens of fighters, there’s no believable explanation for their ability to mobilize forces in The Rise of Skywalker.
3. The Mysterious Rise of the First Order
- The Empire was defeated in Return of the Jedi, and its remnants should have struggled to regain control rather than suddenly dominate the galaxy.
- The First Order somehow amasses resources, builds a planet-destroying weapon (Starkiller Base), and fields massive fleets with no clear explanation.
- Canon materials suggest they grew in the Unknown Regions, but the films fail to explain how they built a stronger force than the Empire in secret.
- In contrast, the Empire’s rise in the prequels was gradual, tied to political manipulation, economic control, and military expansion. The First Order skips these logical steps.
4. Ignoring Galactic Reactions
- The Rise of Skywalker introduces the idea that a massive hidden fleet (Final Order) exists and Palpatine has been plotting all along, yet the galaxy seems passive until the last battle.
- The sudden uprising of allies at the film’s climax contradicts the prior two films, where the Resistance struggled to gain support.
- No planets visibly react to being under First Order rule, making it feel like a story reset rather than a continuation of galactic history.
Why It Matters
The lack of consequences for the destruction of Hosnian Prime and the rise of the First Order weakens the story’s credibility. Previous trilogies carefully explored how major events shaped the galaxy, while the sequels skip over these crucial details, making their conflict feel less grounded and artificially forced.
Thank you.
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