Christianity was established by Father God, Jesus Christ according to the scripture.

Thank you very much, thank you for taking the time out.

Somewhere or another this individual apparently on the opposing side connected with me on this subject.

So after a brief interaction, I believe this person believes Christianity is of God of the scriptures and hasn't realized it was a complete man made invention.

It was not from God. I have a video regarding this subject of myself and another discussing this subject. I'll pass along that information in a subsequent round.

But people often say Christian God, the God of Christianity or whatever.

No such God. At least according to the scripture. Throughout this discussion, we are going to see and realize the derivative of all these things truly.

It came from man. Then man starting calling God the Christian God.

Many folks don't realize what they say when they say it.

I have learned that by the scripture it says by your words you are justified and by your words you are condemned.

Now if you say Christianity came from God, those are words that you are justified in saying or not.

Particularly we're talking about God of the scriptures, biblical scripture. The scriptures that are referred to as God breathed.

So I'll be looking for the opposing side which is the affirmative side to present and discuss the opposing points, because I say the scripture will not support this, that Christianity was established by God.

Christianity was invented by man and as the scripture says "Behold, this only have I found: that God made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions".

It says "This only have I found: God created mankind upright,

Thank you so much, you seem really kind and that pleases me. I will first begin by showing the central Christian beliefs, and will then show verses in the Bible that approve of said beliefs. It is called the Nicene Creed, and contrary to popular belief, DOES NOT invent anything. It is just a public proclamation of what we as Christians believe. If anything goes against this Creed, it is known as heresy.

I will now dissect each line, showing where it is in scripture.

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Deuteronomy 6:4 – “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.”

Genesis 1:1 – “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.”

Colossians 1:16 – “For by Him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible…”

John 1:1–2 – “In the beginning was the Word... and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.”

John 3:16 – “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son…”

Colossians 1:15 – “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.”

Hebrews 1:3 – “He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of His nature…”

John 1:14 – “And the Word became flesh... the glory as of the only Son from the Father…”

Philippians 2:6 – “Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage…”

John 1:3 – “All things were made through Him, and without Him was not any thing made that was made.”

1 Corinthians 8:6 – “…one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.”

Hebrews 1:2 – “…through whom also He created the world.”

John 6:38 – “For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me.”

Luke 19:10 – “For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.”

1 Timothy 1:15 – “Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners…”

Luke 1:35 – “The Holy Spirit will come upon you… therefore the child to be born will be called holy—the Son of God.”

Luke 23:23–24 – “But they were urgent, demanding with loud cries that he should be crucified. And their voices prevailed.”

Isaiah 53:5 – “He was pierced for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities…”

Matthew 27:59–60 – “And Joseph took the body and wrapped it in a clean linen shroud and laid it in his own new tomb…”

1 Corinthians 15:3–4 – “…that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures… he was raised on the third day…”

Luke 24:6–7 – “He is not here, but has risen…”

Psalm 16:10 – “For you will not abandon my soul to Sheol, or let your holy one see corruption.”

Acts 1:9 – “He was lifted up, and a cloud took Him out of their sight.”

Mark 16:19 – “Jesus… was taken up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God.”

Hebrews 1:3 – “…After making purification for sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high…”

Matthew 25:31–32 – “When the Son of Man comes in his glory… he will separate people one from another…”

Acts 10:42 – “He is the one appointed by God to be judge of the living and the dead.”

2 Timothy 4:1 – “Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead…”

Luke 1:33 – “And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”

Daniel 7:14 – “His dominion is an everlasting dominion…”

Revelation 11:15 – “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he shall reign forever and ever.”

2 Corinthians 3:17 – “Now the Lord is the Spirit…”

Genesis 2:7 – “…God…breathed into his nostrils the breath of life…”

Romans 8:2 – “The Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus…”

2 Peter 1:21 – “For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.”

Hebrews 1:1 – “God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways.”

Nehemiah 9:30 – “You warned them by your Spirit through your prophets…”

Ephesians 4:4–5 – “There is one body and one Spirit… one Lord, one faith, one baptism.”

1 Peter 2:9 – “You are a chosen race… a holy nation…”

Acts 2:42 – “They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching…”

Acts 2:38 – “Repent and be baptized… for the forgiveness of your sins…”

Romans 6:4 – “We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death…”

Ephesians 4:5 – “One Lord, one faith, one baptism…”

John 11:25 – “I am the resurrection and the life…”

1 Corinthians 15:52 – “…the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.”

Revelation 21:1–4 – “…a new heaven and a new earth… death shall be no more…”

So no, the Bible affirms all the core Christian beliefs. In fact, it CONDENMS anyone who goes against them and teaches otherwise:

Galatians 1:8-9 - "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!  As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!"

I really hope this is not a short discussion.

Feel free to check out a video on this discussion on the J. Talks to the people YouTube channel.

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I told that person as I will say here. 

First I'll say that by your words you are justified.

Out of all the scripture that was given, not one said, not one verse said, God established Christianity.

That was invented by man. Being called Christian was invented by man. It's what people called other people in scripture. 

They were called this at Antioch. Called by who?

Not by God . Not by Jesus.

This is very important to take heed where the scripture stops and when man starts talking.

Man added the "-ity". This is not even in scripture.

What did God call his people?

We go to Matthew 5 and this is where I took the unlearned "Christian" to and tried to speak on things he didn't know . Scripture say speak on what you know.

In verse nine, what does JESUS call the peacemakers

"9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God."

So first if you are a peacemaker, you are called according to scripture a child of God or being among the children of God.

You'd be a peacemaker because it's the way of God, the way of holiness.

Let's go to Hebrews 12:14.

It says " Follow peace with all men, and holiness".

So being a peacemaker you are following holiness.

The scriptures say in Romans 8, for those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.

So you are led by a Holy God according to the scripture the Father is the holy Spirit. Just throwing that there to clash with that whether the opposing side disagrees.

According to John 15 and 16, this spirit guides you.

That is the Father. The scriptures teach that HE is Holy and so His children are to be that.

That which is born of spirit is spirit and that which is born of flesh is flesh, see. That which is born of God cannot sin.

These people are called the children of God according to the scripture. 

Whom also is referred to as holy.

We read in 1 Peter 2 :

"9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;"

So an holy nation of peculiar people. We can't read here or anywhere people are organized or an organization of Christianity or an organized sect of Christianity.

So being that we can't read this here, where is this learned?

While Paul received through the revelation of Christ, other men received the words of other men.

Not just Christianity, but Pentecostal and Mormonism and Baptist and seven day Adventist and church of the latter day saints, Catholic, Roman Catholic, Presbyterian, Methodist, Martin Lutheran, Calvinist, Armenianist, preterist and just schemes and inventions one after another as we read in Ecclesiastes 7, God made us plain and simple, but we have made ourselves very complicated.

That God made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

I have discovered that God made people upright, but they pursued many schemes.

Every last one of those sects mentioned is an example of a scheme. Something God made simple and man comes, complicates it .

God confounds the very wise with the simple things. Scripture say what can be done after the King I believe.

What can you do after Christ done established the church?

Come up with another denomination, faction and call folks christian. Then complicate it with Christianity. Where many things are conflated and confused mixing the world, the secular with spiritual and heavenly things.

Many schemes, many ways where God established just one way and made it simple.

God did not establish a way of Mormonism, the way of Jehovah witness, the way of Christianity, even the way of Christian and Baptist.

He established the way of Holiness.

Ephesians 1 and starting at verse 4:

"4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will"

Here we go again with children . It says " unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ". Jesus just called this out in Matthew 5.

So these are the peacemakers, the faithful in Christ, faithful in God predestined to be that . So when we talk about what came first from where, it was predestined according to words believed to be inspired not by man nor the will of man .

God did not predestine folks to Christianity or set this to be before the foundation of the world.

Jesus said he would build his church. Not his Christianity. He said follow him, not Christianity.

That is what man decided to call it. I'll give him that credit, that honor. Give the honor due according to the book .

Jesus said follow him . He is the way. What way is that?

Let's get the book of Isaiah chapter 35

"8 And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness"

According to the scripture Jesus is that way which is the way back to the Father. Back to holiness where the Father himself told you to be, holy.

This is what becomes of reconciliation that the scripture teaches. Those that are the holy children of God have that peace so they see the Lord in peace.

Without holiness no man shall see the Lord. Rightly divided as the scripture say, that is in regard to seeing the Lord in peace. That would be the difference and division between those that still will stand before the throne of judgement.

That's it for now. Scripture say by your words you are justified and if any man speak let him speak as the oracles of God so let God be true and every man a liar.

No where will you find Christianity established in the scriptures. You will hear men calling what is in the apostle's doctrine Christianity. You don't even have the apostles preaching that and according to the book, when you hear the apostles, you hear Jesus.

"Out of all the scripture that was given, not one said, not one verse said, God established Christianity."

This is easy to disprove right of the bat.

Matthew 16:18-19: "And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

Not only does this prove that Jesus founded the church, but that the church would be protected from error ("the gates of Hades will not overcome it"). This means that anything the church produces is infallible. 

"They were called this at Antioch. Called by who?"

Poor logic. The term "Jew" is a Gentile term. God never called them "Jews". He called them "children of Israel" or "Israelites". So with this logic, Judaism is false.

"So you are led by a Holy God according to the scripture the Father is the holy Spirit".

No, this is wrong. God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct persons. 

Matthew 28:19: "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit".

In the NAME, not in the NAMES. they are one, but 3 as the scripture teaches.

"Not just Christianity, but Pentecostal and Mormonism and Baptist and seven day Adventist and church of the latter day saints, Catholic, Roman Catholic, Presbyterian, Methodist, Martin Lutheran, Calvinist, Armenianist, preterist and just schemes and inventions one after another as we read in Ecclesiastes 7, God made us plain and simple, but we have made ourselves very complicated."

First of, Catholic and Roman Catholic are the same sect. Secondly, I absolutely agree with you. God established ONE church (Ephesians 4:5). However, this is a protestant issue, not a Catholic/EO issue. Protestantism came 1500 years after Christianity was founded, and ever since it was introduced, the number of denominations didn't double, triple, or quadruple. It went up by thousands of times! Now we have 4000 denominations, with 3996 of them being protestant.

Besides Catholicism, all the churches you brought up were Protestant. This is a protestant issue, not an Apostolic issue. All Apostolic churches are fine. They basically have the same doctrines, with slight disagreements here and there.

"God did not establish a way of Mormonism, the way of Jehovah witness, the way of Christianity, even the way of Christian and Baptist."

Besides the claim that God didn't found Christianity, you are correct. All of those are protestant denominations, 1500 years after the church was founded. Are you really gonna judge us Apostolic churches based on what these guys have done? They're younger than islam!

"Jesus said he would build his church. Not his Christianity. He said follow him, not Christianity."

I agree a little bit here. But verses like 1 Corinthians 12:27 show that the Church is Christ's body. So what you're basically saying is this:

"Follow Christ, not his Body" as if these are seperate.

"No where will you find Christianity established in the scriptures. You will hear men calling what is in the apostle's doctrine Christianity. You don't even have the apostles preaching that and according to the book, when you hear the apostles, you hear Jesus."

Christians have the Nicene Creed which is a set of beliefs that they follow, and I've already shown that it is grounded in scripture. Just because Jesus didn't say Christianity doesn't make it false. This is a fallacy. Secondly, you're contradicting yourself. You say that the Apostles teachings aren't part of Christianity, and then immedialty confess that they Apostles stand in for Jesus (Matthew 28:19 or Matthew 16:19). So false

The rest bro, is beautiful! It seems like the Holy Spirit is taking control, and I like that :D. I really like talking to you :) even if i disagree 

Come on come on come on, hear me , hear me , hear me. As the late Bishop S.C. Johnson would say.

Hear me hear me.

Scripture say the ear try words as the mouth try meat. Of course we're not in an audible conversation but the meaning pertains to words.

Catch what you said . The topic is not did the church or was the church established by God ?

Let's not switch up the language. Was Christianity , was Christianity , established by God?

I just said this is the last round. So we have to try words better than this.

I said the following:

"Jesus said he would build his church. Not his Christianity. He said follow him, not Christianity."

So we have to be more careful with words because if we start throwing around words, mixing them up, conflating them, we're going to have confusion and falsehood.

The scriptures teach God is not the author of confusion and is the God of truth.

Oh so God never called them Christians , right. It's not about logic. It's about what the scripture say. Scripture say if any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God. In no word or oracle in scripture say God calls his people christians so that comes back to the question I asked, who called them that?

So even here you couldn't say God called them Christians. So thanks for the agreement.

This is funny. You just said "No, this is wrong" to the scripture.

Scripture teaches you are led by a Holy God according to the scripture the Father is the holy Spirit.

You say no the Father is not holy and not Spirit. That is lying on God , let alone blasphemous.

Comrade, you know you got to get scripture that says "God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct persons" or recent that error.

I got scripture that says these three are one. Not these three are "distinct persons". These three are one. Now we already know the Father is spirit because the Father is God according to the scripture.

God never stops being the Father. Jesus said the Father is holy. Now you dare to come behind Jesus and say he's not.

Oh yeah........3 what ?

This is where you get trapped. If you say "distinct persons", I'm going to ask you to read it.

I got Bible that says the Lord our God is one Lord. I got Bible that says there is one God the Father. Everything I say the Bible says will say that. Not adding, not taking away.

I am the Lord, and there is none else.

Who found it ?

I don't know where you came up with this. Who invented Christianity?

Whoever invented Christianity ,give Bible for it.

For instance I gave you bible that holiness came from God. According to Jude, your religion or faith is to be holy. 

We have no Bible that says build up on your most Christianity faith.

Do you get it or are you still confused at what I'm asking?

Let's throw some more monkey wrenches in here. We have a week, thirty thousand characters, let's go.

Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost".

Now was Peter defiant?

He told the folks that were pricked in their heart "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ ".

Was he disobeying Jesus?

Was it that or is this the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost?

So the Son's name is Jesus Christ. The holy Ghost which is the Father is Jesus Christ, right.

The Father's name is Jesus Christ. The manifest of the Father was pierced, right. The manifest of the Father died on the Christ. 

I believe the opposing side believes Jesus Christ is God according to scripture.

Am I wrong?

Stephen called on God saying Lord Jesus.

Whosoever call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Did God save Stephen , his spirit?

The Lord God, know ye not the Lord HE is God.

That is the Father. He has no hand short enough it cannot save.

Then that introduces the thought of the right hand. Does Jesus being at the right hand of the Father actually mean literally?

Is it figurative?

Does this contradict the Father where He said there is no God besides HIM?

JESUS was glorified with the glory of the Father.

The Father will not share is glory with another.

Is Jesus the Father?

Jesus is the Father.

Jesus was before Abraham, the root of David and is the right hand not so short that cannot save.

More on Christianity. I often notice that people conflate many things under the heading "Christianity". It's not exactly biblical and gives people the cover to blend and compromise many biblically tenets.

I rarely ever hear or see anyone claim or hold to holiness. Holiness is too stringent, too tight. No wiggle room. Holiness means no sin. Which means being in God, born of God, being in Christ, born of Christ, you cannot sin.

I believed the scripture taught you can continue on in sin while being in Christ and just be forgiven. But due to a number of scriptures, it's just not scriptural.

Christ prunes the fruitless branches and the branches connected to the vine produce fruit.

He is the true vine and the branches can do nothing of themselves.

According to the scripture, the new covenant, it is Christ that lives in you and has you to walk in the spirit and the spirit is at work in you. You do nothing to save yourself nor any works of yourself from the time you're born again and during the working out of your soul salvation.

This is how you're able to live God-fearing, living holy no longer sinning. You're not commiting any longer any sin, not one single sin.

See, because when the scripture say repent, to those that were sinners, they repented and no longer sin.

Anybody teaching you repent but sin later, this means you have never truly repented. When you are free from sin, you no longer have it. You no longer in bondage, no longer enslaved to it. This is how you are to not let it reign or take control over your mortal body, the natural body. 

You repent you say for now but tomorrow you sin. It just took control over you , you still serve it and have not repented. 

You can take a break from sin but still have the heart unchanged. You'll have to take a break when you sleep at least. But the heart is still the same and that's how or why you continue in or resume it.

Once you have a new heart, it has no place, the sin that is, to be conceived anywhere.

Now the opposing side can jump in and respond to any of this or all of it. Just taking advantage of making this a meaty exchange. We got a week. We got space. Let's go.

So I think I made the point that children of God are children of light and fellowship with Christ which Christ is God. The Father is Christ because there's only one God and when is God not the Father? 

So God is Christ which would be the Father so the Father is Christ. As Bishop Sherrod Johnson would say "come and get me".

The children of God are the children of light and fellowship with Christ and if you that claim to be a child of God has darkness , scripture say you are a liar , the one that says I follow Christ. Christ will spit you out with your thinking you can do this walk both ways.

Now the question may be , how is the Father Christ?

Should I open that up here or leave it open to consider in suspense?

Now , isn't Jesus Christ God?

Wouldn't that make God Christ?

Isn't God the Father?

If you say God is not the Father, you conflict with 1 Corinthians 8:6 .

So this God to tie it back to the topic as my time is running down, came forth with a new covenant so that a spirit is given, a new heart is given and a faith which is holy, not Christianity.

Right off the bat, let’s cut thru the confusion.

When someone says “the Church” and “Christianity”, they’re refering to the same reality in practice — the community that follows the teachings of Jesus Christ. To act like these are totally seperate is just playing with semantics. Jesus said in Matthew 16:18, “On this rock I will build my Church” — and what is that Church? It’s the community that follows Him, obeys His teachings, and lives the faith He founded.

That is Christianity — the religion based on Jesus’ person, teaching, death, and ressurection (John 14:6 — “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me”). So to argue that Jesus didn’t found Christianity cuz He didn’t use that exact term is pointless. We look at what He did and taught. He told people to follow Him (Matthew 4:19, “Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men”; Matthew 9:9, “Follow me” to Matthew the tax collector).

Christianity is by defintion the religion of following Jesus and His commands (John 14:15, “If you love me, keep my commands”; John 15:10, “If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love”). That’s Christianity — the system of faith and obediece to Christ Himself.

And no, it’s not about whether God used the word “Christian” — it’s about what God revealed. The term Christian shows up in Acts 11:26: “The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.” That’s straight Bible.

And what does Peter say in 1 Peter 4:16? “Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in that name.” That’s Scripture endorsing the name Christian. So trying to say Christianity is false cause Jesus didn’t invent the label is grasping at straws.

And nah, we’re not modalists here. Modalism is that false teaching that God is one Person who just appears in different forms. That’s not what Scripture teaches. The Bible shows one God, three Persons — perfectly united but personaly distinct.

John 15:26 says, “When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father — the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father — he will testify about me.” The Father sends the Spirit, the Son sends the Spirit — distinct Persons.

And who founded Christianity? Jesus Christ. It’s in the name — CHRISTianity. No Christian — Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant — would say otherwise. Acts 4:12 says, “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”

That name is Christ. As for Protestantism — ya, Martin Luther started the Protestant Reformation in the 1500s. But Christianity itself? That was founded by Christ the moment He called His first disciples and said “Follow Me”.

If anyone tries to twist this with semantics or word games — just go back to the Word of God. Christianity is the faith of following Christ, obeying His commands, living in His Church, and worshipping the one true God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit — as taught clear in Scripture.

The Trinity is the teaching that God is one in essence but three distinct Persons: the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. All three are co-eternal, co-equal, and fully God, yet they are not the same person.

Deuteronomy 6:4 declares, “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one” — showing God’s oneness, yet in Genesis 1:26, God says, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness”, and Genesis 11:7, “Come, let us go down and confuse their language”, showing hints of plurality in God’s unity.

In the New Testament this is revealed fully: the Father is God (John 6:27), the Son is God (John 1:1, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God”; John 20:28, where Thomas says “My Lord and my God!”), and the Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4).

At Jesus’ baptism (Matthew 3:16-17), all three Persons are there: the Son is baptized, the Spirit descends like a dove, and the Father speaks from heaven “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased”.

Jesus tells His followers in Matthew 28:19 to baptize “in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” — one Name, three Persons. John 14:16-17 shows the Son asking the Father to send the Spirit — again, distinct Persons.

The Father sends the Son (John 3:16), the Son prays to the Father (John 17), and the Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son (John 15:26). Paul gives a Trinitarian blessing in 2 Corinthians 13:14: “The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.”

So yeah — in Scripture the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Spirit is God — each distinct, yet one God in being. Not three gods (that’d be tritheism), and not one Person with three masks (that’d be modalism, which is the error ur making).

This truth is at the core of Christianity: God is a perfect unity of love and relationship in Himself — Father, Son, and Spirit — from eternity.

So uh, yea.

I don't believe you the opposing side responded to everything. It was the prerogative of the opposing to not do so of course . The same prerogative that made the realization that no refutation could be put up.

However, the opposing side, whether realizing this or not, has directly or indirectly gave up the proposition. I'm going to show you and highlight what was stated and probably wasn't caught.

As the scriptures say, the ears try words as the mouth try meat.

Watch this.

The statement made by the opposing side was the following:

Notice you said "When someone says". Who is that "someone"? When addressing God, we just say God. God is not a someone. There's only one God according to scripture but those that will die like men , there's more than one and whosoever is none specific. 

So here again, the opposing side has not said nor has ever agreed that God ever said christianity . So where or when did HE HIM SELF ever establish it? 

The next statement "they’re refering to the same reality". So we read "someone" and "they’re refering to". Neither of this is saying God but those other than , explaining how they are communicating, defining the church as synonymous which is inventive. 

You just explained how others put this together in what they particularly mean. Hence again, we can't read in scripture where God says his church, where Jesus says his church, he will build Christianity. That would be adding to the text.

So where does the addition come from being that it's not there? The opposing side just explained how it comes or came about. It's colloquially inventative of man , established by him. Case closed.

Semantics are words, right. Scripture say by your words you are justified. So you're either justified in what you're saying or you're not. When you use the words " God established Christianity ", on its face , it's not a justified statement. 

You say "To act like these are totally seperate". Here's another question and if you don't answer any questions that I have asked throughout the duration of this, it is taken as a conceding to my case.

The question is, according to who , the church of Christ and Christianity means the same thing? If you say Jesus , you will have to get bible for it.

If you don't, you concede this as well. If you say God and produce no scripture that backs this up, take correction in your error. 

Right, that is Christianity according to who?

It's not pointless, it's being deceptive. It's exposing a lie. It's a lie to say the Lord said what the Lord have not said. That is what a false prophet is. Be honest and say that people invented or concocted the term Christianity.

Did he say follow Christianity, yes or no?

Non rhetorical questions by the way.

Ok but whom came up with the term Christianity?

Yes it is about what words God uses. Scripture say in the book of Proverbs chapter 30, DO NOT ADD UNTO HIS PURE WORDS. So HIS WORDS ....DO MATTER AND IS ABOUT THE WORDS GOD USED. Jesus used words, he said those words which were of the FATHER, GOD, will judge you. He said verily whoever hears HIS WORDS. So it's lie saying it's"not about whether God used the word".

Did God call them Christians or did someone else did?

Don't lie and say God did. That's what this whole topic is about. In scripture.....are those who are called Christian called that by God? Did God give to his apostles the way of Christianity?

Maybe you just don't clearly understand the topic. This is what the topic is leading into asking. 

Scripture says of all thy getting, get understanding. It says speak on what you know.

Maybe you didn't realize exactly what the topic is getting at and you're assuming we're just using all these words interchangeably. But that is the heart of the matter. Did God interchange? Did Jesus interchange?

Let's get this right and clarity could have been asked for before accepting this challenge . The topic is not challenging what meaning the opposing side is attaching to Christianity which can very well be the teachings of Christ Jesus according to who you talk to . I can't say everybody has the same meaning. This is why it's good to stick with what God himself , HIS religion technically is and is called according to the scripture.

The topic is challenging the name, Christianity itself. Did God establish this? Can we read God established this?

Same way with bible. We can read what we're reading are scriptures. But can we read that these scriptures are the bible, no. So we can't say even according to the bible because we call it the bible, that's what it is.

I think this is plain and simple and the opposing side didn't seek for understanding first.

Now this topic aside from that, is a reminder to take heed to words better because on contrary to what the opposing side conveys, it is about words.

Jesus spoke words. Jesus is the Word. Scripture say I believe he's in the volume of the book or he came in the volume of the book. The word scripture means or pertains to words. 

I hope the opposing side is greatly edified.

No it's false to say Jesus invented Christianity which is the position you took on a statement you cannot back up with scripture.

So I thank you for conceding that Jesus didn't invent it because it's not in the book. 

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That's correct. Jesus did not invent Christianity. Jesus said he was the way. Which way is that? The way of holiness.

Now man came with an invention or scheme to call that Christianity presumably which I believe the opposing side is conceding, yes man did . So the opposing side and I broached scriptures where there are examples where man is doing that. Man coins the term, calls folks christians.

Presumably this is what man means by these terms. If you take a survey, you will hardly ever if at all hear folks describing Christianity or christian as being holy.

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Give Scripture that says "one God, three Persons — perfectly united but personaly distinct" . There's no scripture that says God is a person or one person. That is incorrect. Now give Bible that God is three persons.

I got bible that says there is none besides him. He is the first and the last, besides him there is no God. If that one God is the Father but not the Holy Spirit, the Father didn't even acknowledge the Holy Spirit.

There is NONE BESIDES HIM. NOT THEM. HIM. HIM. HIM. THERE IS NO GOD BUT ONE . The scriptures say these three are one. Not these three are three or these three are distinct persons. 

These three? Question is....these three what? If you say persons, read it or else you're found guilty of adding to the bible. Trinitarians add. The trinitarian doctrine is adding to scripture.

Scripture say by your WORDS you are justified.

You said "Jesus didn’t invent the label".

You are justified in saying those words according to scripture which makes the topic statement false.

Let's get the book of Isaiah chapter 40, we start at verse 25.

 " “To whom will you compare me?

    Or who is my equal?” says the Holy One."

The holy one is God. So this is the holy Spirit. I dare you to say this God isn't the Father.

The Father didn't acknowledge an equal partner here. Did he tell the truth?

According to the scriptures , he did .

Telling you God is one Lord, one God. It doesn't say three persons. Use scripture to break this down. Not a cemetery or seminary theology. There are no hints. It's plain that it says "us" . Now you got to use scripture to expound that. Scripture only.

Once more, getting opinion of scripture and not what it is actually written.

You know you can't read "three persons". Should I put the challenge out "find scripture that says three persons"?

I imagine the opposing side is going to pull the "semantics" card. Another way of saying, "don't pay attention to the words, don't be sober, don't watch, don't try words as the scripture taught".

One name, one God. That's it. See, stop where the bible stops. Erroneously, the bible stops, you start, you add.

Here's the question, Is Jesus the Father? Jesus is God, right.

John 15 says Jesus will send the comforter or spirit but John 14 says Jesus would pray the Father. 

So is it really multiple persons as the opposing side is making up or is ALL THE FULLNESS OR FULNESS of the GODHEAD bodily already indwelling Jesus?

Watch this.....Jesus said the Father was in Him. Would that not include the Holy Spirit? But why did Jesus only say the Father?

It's only one God one spirit. First John 5 and 7 says these three are one , The Father , The Word, The Holy Spirit . It is that same Jesus, that is the one God and none else .

Scripture says the same God, same Lord.

There are diversities of operations.

There are differences of administrations.

But the same God, same Lord.

Case rests.

I didn't respond to everything because half of your arguement was blatant heresy, and the discussion of the Trinity doesn't have anything to do with what we were talking about. So all I did was clear it up for you.

"Notice you said "When someone says". Who is that "someone"? When addressing God, we just say God. God is not a someone. There's only one God according to scripture but those that will die like men , there's more than one and whosoever is none specific. "

Are you being serious? This is no different then: 

"When someone says I love you, it is a sign of affection".

"Who is that someone"?

This isn't even an arguement.

"So where or when did HE HIM SELF ever establish it? "

I've already shown you that Christ established the Church, yet you are unable to show me that the Church that he founded (Matthew 16:18) is different from Christianity. You can't because it's impossible. They're the same.

"The next statement "they’re refering to the same reality". So we read "someone" and "they’re refering to". Neither of this is saying God but those other than , explaining how they are communicating, defining the church as synonymous which is inventive."

Again, this is not an arguement. I was explaining to you that the Church and Christianity are the same thing, and all you respond with is "God didn't say tht!" This is horrible reason. Actually explain why what I said is wrong, instead of "nuh uh".

"You just explained how others put this together in what they particularly mean. Hence again, we can't read in scripture where God says his church, where Jesus says his church, he will build Christianity. That would be adding to the text."

Have yet to disprove me.

I'll show you the verse again: "And I tell you that you are Peter,[a] and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it." (Matthew 16:18)

So CLEARLY Jesus created the Church, and anyone part of Christianity, is part of the Church. Literally anyone can agree with me on this.

 "The opposing side just explained how it comes or came about. It's colloquially inventative of man , established by him. Case closed."

What? Are you already accepting defeat? The entire debate was on wheter or not Christianity was made by God, and you admitted that I explained how it came about. Furthermore, saying the belief that Jesus is the Christ, is someone something God didn't do is ridiculous.

Matthew 16:16-17: "Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven." So obviously, if Christianity is the belief that Jesus is the Christ, God made it. Saying Christianity is false because God didn't name it Christianity is such a silly arguement. I guess animals don't exist, because the Bible says that Man named them (Genesis 2:19).

"Semantics are words, right. Scripture say by your words you are justified. So you're either justified in what you're saying or you're not. When you use the words " God established Christianity ", on its face , it's not a justified statement. "

Wrong on multiple things here. Semantics literally means "meaning". I was trying to show you that you're confusing the meaning, and was trying to clear it up for you. Furthermore, look above at what I sent.

"The question is, according to who , the church of Christ and Christianity means the same thing? If you say Jesus , you will have to get bible for it."

Do you want me to show you where Jesus literally says that he made Christianity? This is another horrible arguement. You don't see Jesus in the Bible EVER saying "I can make a slice of pizza from nothing". So based on your logic, he can't. You have to fix your mistakes, because you aren't even debating. Your entire arguements just relies on this statement: "If I don't see a verse where Jesus calls them Christians, regardless of what Christianity is or what it means, Christianity is false". I brought this up earlier and I'll say it again. The term "Jew" is a gentile name. God never named them "Jews", yet you aren't claiming that Judaism is false are you?

"Right, that is Christianity according to who?"

What? That was the dictionary definition of Christian.

"Christianity, major religion stemming from the life, teachings, and death of Jesus of Nazareth (the Christ, or the Anointed One of God) in the 1st century ce." (Briticanna).

"It's not pointless, it's being deceptive. It's exposing a lie. It's a lie to say the Lord said what the Lord have not said."

I never said that God named the religion called Christianity, I said God MADE Christianity. Christianity is a set of beliefs, not just a name. If God was the one who made those beliefs (since Jesus is God, saying that God didn't ask us to worship him is silly, John 20:28-29) then God made Christianity. 

"Did he say follow Christianity, yes or no?"

Christianity is following the teachings of Christ, so yes. 

"Did God call them Christians or did someone else did?"

The term Christian shows up several places in the Bible, so he DID call them Christians. They were firsted named it by humans, but God still used the term for them ( 1 Peter 4:16).

Furthermore, as I pointed out earlier, just because God doesn't say something, doesn't mean he doesn't agree. God never said "don't get addicted to cigarettes", so by that logic, God doesn't condemn it.

"Did God give to his apostles the way of Christianity?" 

... are you serious? 

Matthew 16:19, John 16:13, Acts 13:2, Acts 15:28, Acts 20:28, Romans 8:14, and 1 Corinthians 12:4–11 disprove this.

You're prerogative like I said. Also you call the scripture "blatant heresy" because I gave scripture to back up the points.

Also I added in the topic of the false trinity doctrine to make more points to respond to because you don't have much on the actual topic. You fell short so let's speak on some other things. Now if you can't speak on those other things, if you can't contend what you believe like the scripture teaches, that is demonstrated.

You saying "This isn't even an arguement." isn't a counterpoint, it's a deflection. I don't even have to argue. I just proved that you acknowledged God didn't invent Christianity because you say "When someone says".

If God invented Christianity, audience, why did the opposing side have to mention about someone else?

If God did it, you would never have to leave the subject of God . You're indirectly admitting SOCIALLY CONSTRUCTED applications.

Tell us GOD SAID CHRISTIANITY. Don't tell us about when someone says.

Ok give scriptures that Christianity and the church ARE THE SAME. Does the scripture say they are the same or did man or is it you that is saying that?

If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God.

See, you're giving scripture for one thing that's not in question but not giving scripture for these other things you are specifically saying you have not proved written in scripture any where.

You can't make a claim you've have yet to prove by scripture and then look for me to prove by scripture that what you made up is false. That's backwards and a fallacy of the argument of silence.

No, you are taking the position that the bible says something, now show it.

You're just proving my point that the bible doesn't say God invented Christianity. It doesn't say Jesus invented it. Why would you not have shown this in round two if it did? Why would we be going round after round with your private interpreted scriptures instead of just proving where it's written, God invented christianity?

Why would you not prove where it's written, the church and christianity means the same thing?

You know that's not written. You're telling a lie to save face. 

You're moving the goalpost talking about the church when the actual topic or main topic said nothing about the church.

You're talking about off topic and not sticking with your own doctrine.

DON'T EXPLAIN ANYTHING, JUST BRING SCRIPTURE. YOU GAVE NO SCRIPTURE....THAT SAYS ....OR TEACHES....THE CHURCH AND CHRISTIANITY ARE THE SAME. YOU CAME UP WITH THAT LIE.

Scripture says bring forth your strong REASON. What is stronger than WHAT GOD SAID? That's what this whole debate is based on. WHAT GOD SAID? TELL US WHAT GOD SAID.

I'm getting the communication from you that it's not about what words God used. That's another lie. It's all about what God said. Scripture say let God be true and every man a liar. So we know what a lie is comparing what you say with what is God breathed written.

So why are you wrong? You're wrong because you've been telling me your words, NOT GOD'S WORDS.

You just demonstrating christianity which is man's concoction and his interpretation. You don't have a scripture based faith. You have a man made faith. Scripture say build on your most HOLY FAITH. Not christianity faith.

You're not giving the words of scripture that says Christianity is from God nor that the church is christianity. That seems like an hoc afterthought. Just made up to get through a loophole that doesn't work.

You're best point was, ",oh they're the same". You think you got something.

You do got something false. That's because then I'm going to ask you to give me scripture for "they're the same". Otherwise you're just saying that.

Here we go again now with the "anyone" . So does the scripture read  "anyone part of Christianity, is part of the Church" because "anyone can agree with me on this" ?

Since when with what is written got to do with others agreeing? If it ain't written, makes no different who agrees with you.

Where are you getting this from? I truly believe because you're arguing for christianity, that religion takes part of what is written and adds to it calling it one true sound doctrine.

The opposing side is just proving the corruption that goes on with christianity.

I keep asking for what is written and I'm being told "when someone says" instead of what God said. I'm being told about others agreeing with the opposing side instead of agreeing with God. This is sad. The opposing side is basically putting the creature over the creator. 

We don't worry about man agreeing. What did the scriptures say? It said EVERY MAN A LIAR. So you don't build your biblical case off of who agrees with you. Scripture say THOU FOOL.

According to the scripture, you say amen to the truth, not to man. The opposing side better not say man is the truth.

Scripture say ole fool and slow of heart.

Once again: "The opposing side just explained how it comes or came about. It's colloquially inventative of man , established by him. Case closed."

It's colloquially inventative of man , established by him.

By him, by him, not God. You just indirectly admitted that. Case closed.

No it's false to say God invented the label. So I thank you for admitted that here and in the last round.

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Yessssss. Finally getting there.

Folks, this is a cop out.

Let me help you out here. The biblical logic is, if you say that Jesus made anything according to scripture , all I'm asking is for book chapter verse of scripture. Nothing out of order there. That would be proving it and the bible says prove all things.

It's false in the same way claiming God or Jesus established it. Regardless of how you define these things, we're not arguing with what is written if it matches the definitions. That's not up for contention. We're looking for what is written. Just like you admitted christianity is not written, likewise I trust with judaism, mormonism, any other ism you want.

Here's the thing. I'll put it this way. We can read about God establishing holiness. He calls for his children to be holy. We can read that. Now.......if you wish and it's up to you....if you decide, you decide that christianity is defined as holiness, fine .

It was still you that invented the attachment of this word and definition together, NOT GOD because we didn't read that he did. Are you finally getting it?

It was man that coined, invented the term you admitted Jesus did not. You get that much so like you said I'm not debating. This is not really debatable. You're just lost and I've been trying to get you found through the truth round after round.

Just say according to man. Not hard. I'm not going through all these layers. I could ask who put together the dictionary but let's not be slow here getting to the point. Jesus said what thou do do quickly. Get right to it quickly.

According to man yes.

"I never said that God named the religion called Christianity, I said God MADE Christianity. Christianity is a set of beliefs, not just a name. If God was the one who made those beliefs (since Jesus is God, saying that God didn't ask us to worship him is silly, John 20:28-29) then God made Christianity. "

I'll put it this way again. We can read about God establishing holiness. He calls for his children to be holy. We can read that. Now.......if you wish and it's up to you....if you decide, you decide that christianity is defined as holiness, fine .

You just told another lie. I asked did he say follow christianity.

I got bible that says pick up your cross and follow me.

So where did you get this lie that Jesus said the words "follow christianity"?

Don't be intellectually dishonest here. It's not going to help you. It's not going to keep you from getting exposed of this falsehood.

Let's go to first Peter and see if you lied again.

"Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf."

This did not say God called anybody a christian. You're supposed to be a representative of christianity. You're demonstrating it's about  falsehood and hypocrisy.

Let me actually give you what God said in the same book.

1 Peter 1, same book. This is properly handling the word of God and we begin at verse 15.

 "But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;

16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy."

He , know ye not the Lord He is God has called you to be holy. God didn't say anything about being christian or called you to christianity.

Now men of holiness, children of God in holiness may be called christian by men. That doesn't mean God invented the calling of that. Scripture teaches give honor to whom do. Man called out christians and even after the scripture of revelation was given, schemes up the colloquialism with Christianity. So give that honor to man.

This is your error again. What did Jesus say? You live by every word out of the mouth of God. You don't assume God agrees with anything. You have to live by what he actually said, taught or had his apostles, preachers , ministers, bishops and elders preached.

Don't do this argument of silence fallacy. Scripture say speak on what you know. How do know what God said?

Scripture say searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. You go by scripture, not by logic. That's another issue with man because they're so inventive with schemes, they operate by logic not the spirit. 

Scripture say be prepared to give an answer and you just respond with a question. Just say you don't know.

Did God give his people the way of christianity?

Yes or no or if you don't know, say that. If you say yes, let's read it.

I'm sorry for your misunderstanding but my point is inventing the label is inventing the sect itself.

Hopefully you're catching on now.

Inventing the label is inventing the sect. Again, regardless how you define it. If you want to harp on the meaning of christianity is in scripture, it doesn't mean the invented labeling is. So to have some integrity, you have to say Jesus didn't invent christianity per se. Men having taken what Jesus made an example of , they've remixed, renamed , rebranded it.

On the face of it, the word is christianity. That's what is in the topic, the word itself. It didn't say the meaning or definition. Besides that, there's no uniform definition due to the different denominations and sects that aren't scriptural to follow. 

So trying to hide behind the argument of "well the definition, the definition, the definition" is futile. You're on that heavy because you have admitted that Christ didn't establish christianity, the label. So you are deflecting trying to argue about the meaning of it which is not up for contention.

This topic never mentioned the definition. It just mentioned the word itself. That word itself did not come from God. What can you do against the truth except say amen?

This topic is dealing with christianity the label itself. We're not talking about what people practice or what people practice in the church and who and what the church is.

You're delving into all these other facets of scripture not in question because you and I know there is no scriptural basis to discuss were God called for christianity.

This is not even a debate. Did God call for Christianity in scripture?

You should be honest and say no because we can't read that. You've been trying to argue it's not about the words of God and so what if we can't read it.

You're in huge error for this. See the false prophets speak what the Lord hath not said. You're in trouble with falsehood my friend. They and you harp on words not said versus what the Lord hath said.

You said no initially. So what were you saying "no" to?

The biblical teaching of scripture I gave.

Then added on a lie of "God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct persons." 

You're whole issue this debate long is saying what the scripture does not say. Again in the name of christianity.

You can go to all the scriptures, apocrypha included, nothing says trinity. We can't read God is three persons anywhere. We read God is one Lord. Not God is one and three persons. Holy one of Israel the Bible says. If you say the Holy ghost is not the Father, it's not the holy one because there's more than one. So if there is a co-equal partner or person, God didn't acknowledge that. According to scripture, God not gone lie.

This three person trinity doctrine is false as false can be.

Ok so you just admitted the verse is not saying what you're saying so this is your personal interpretation and opinion. Just say that , preface that first as you give scriptures.

You admitted what you've been saying is not in scripture.

If you say the Father is not Holy who is God which is a spirit, you are lying or in error. 

All you trinitarians go into to great error when it comes to this.

I've dealt with with this repeatedly which you can find recorded videos of discussion on J. Talks to the people YouTube channel.

Well, case closed. Folks, the opposing side couldn't prove anything the opposing side was supposed to as expected.

Thanks for trying.

"Also you call the scripture "blatant heresy" because I gave scripture to back up the points."

Another lie. Let's look at what I said: "I didn't respond to everything because half of your arguement was blatant heresy". 

So one can clearly see that I wasn't attacking scripture but his points. Furthermore, if you do a quote check, I have MUCH more scripture sources than he does.

"Also I added in the topic of the false trinity doctrine to make more points to respond to because you don't have much on the actual topic."

What? This is clearly a red herring fallacy.

"You saying "This isn't even an arguement." isn't a counterpoint, it's a deflection."

In context I said:

" I truly believe because you're arguing for christianity, that religion takes part of what is written and adds to it calling it one true sound doctrine."

Nah. We are guided by the Holy Spirit who protects and guides the Church from error. As Jesus himself says: 

"You have to fix your mistakes, because you aren't even debating. Your entire arguements just relies on this statement: "If I don't see a verse where Jesus calls them Christians, regardless of what Christianity is or what it means, Christianity is false". I brought this up earlier and I'll say it again. The term "Jew" is a gentile name. God never named them "Jews", yet you aren't claiming that Judaism is false are you?"

Echad means “one,” but it’s often used to describe a composite or unified oneness, not just a numeric “one thing.” Look at places like Genesis 2:24 or Genesis 1:5. 

The use of echad in Deuteronomy 6:4 does not deny the Trinity or unity within plurality. If Moses really wanted to mean an absolute singularity, the Hebrew word “yachid” (יָחִיד) would have been used, which means only or solitary one (see Genesis 22:2, “your only son, Isaac”). So again. False.

And unlike me sir, you haven't quoted any scripture to disprove me.

Good. The case is shut. Chat, the opposite person was unable to show anything. As to be expected

John 1:1-3

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made."

Jesus is God.