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21Pilots

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#6387

Iron heart has one of the most worst writing in MCU history

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Winner

After 2 votes and with 2 points ahead, the winner is...

Mharman

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MCU

why do you have

to mess everything up

and make it turn to shit

oh my days

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Publication date: 07.06.2025 12:48PM
Last updated date: 07.14.2025 05:21PM
Type: Standard
Number of rounds: 1
Time for argument: Twelve hours
Max argument characters: 10,000
Voting period: One week
Point system: Winner selection
Voting system: Open

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Mharman

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Round 1

21Pilots

07.07.2025 06:04AM

Pro

We both agree it is bad.

🤝

Mharman

07.07.2025 05:21PM

Con

I: A brief defense of Ironheart

Ironheart has running connections to the MCU that don’t feel out of nowhere- The character, Ironheart (Identity: Riri Williams) was a previously established character in Black Panther: Wakanda Forever. She’s known for her genius inventions and was inspired by Tony Stark.

Her genius and cocky attitude is a reflection of Stark- this is just a remix of his story. I bring this up because a common criticism is that the main character isn’t likeable- however, that’s kinda the point. Tony Stark was also not a likeable character the start of the MCU. He was arrogant, but a genius who grew as the films continued.

As for the side characters and plot line, no complaints. Sure that side characters weren’t too interesting, but they weren’t obnoxious either.

As for the villains, we got to see Mephisto’s debut- which was absolute peak.

II: There are worse entries in the MCU (by far):

She-Hulk: She-Hulk was a cringey mess that took one of the strongest characters in the MCU, and reduced him to a punchline. Whereas Williams is a little messed up to mirror the story of Tony Stark, She-Hulk is entitled, had everything handed to her, and is just magically better than Hulk because… reasons. At least Williams had to work for it.

There was so the twerking scene. Generational levels of cringe.

The Marvels: Once again, we have an example of a main being actually boring, dare I say obnoxious. She can’t take any of her opponents seriously, and is extremely whiney throughout the show, even screaming at people over some dumb stuff like a child.

The villain was just a downgraded Ronan the Accuser. Nick Fury was a badass in earlier movies, but here was just a joke.

Mharman

07.14.2025 04:48PM

Who tf boosted ts

Barney

07.08.2025 03:16PM

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@21Pilots

Elaborate please?

I invoked the foregone conclusion clause (6 words vs several paragraphs, the outcome is assured), then gave feedback and side commentary.

21Pilots

07.08.2025 08:25AM

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@Barney

Your vote is exactly what I’m talking about

Mharman

07.08.2025 06:13AM

Bump

Mharman

07.07.2025 05:22PM

Devil’s advocate

Barney

07.06.2025 11:53PM

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@21Pilots

I highly disagree. Also, you should make this at least two rounds, otherwise you will have no chance to defend your case.

Mharman

07.06.2025 01:36PM

Why are we debating truisms

Barney

07.08.2025 07:59AM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Winner

1 point(s)

Reason:

Foregone conclusion.

I’ll add that The Marvels was a missed opportunity to make this a fun read, since it plagiarized its big bad from Space Balls (a giant robotic maid with a vacuum cleaner).

And Nick Fury was another missed opportunity, because his show was hands down the worst written piece of the MCU. But of him in general, we can deduce that his presence in anything worsens it due to the writing trying to pass off someone who dresses in bondage gear at the office as the greatest spy who ever lived.

I will also add that the best part of cons case was She-Hulk twerking and being a Mary Sue. With pros lack of a case that alone would win, but it was also wise to offer a couple more examples to beat the dead horse and avoid any accusations of Iron Heart being the second worst written piece.

Casey_Risk

07.07.2025 05:25PM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Winner

1 point(s)

Reason:

Foregone conclusion