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Atheism is bizzare
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Round 1
in the old time the concept of steady state universe , this theory was proposed by Fred Hoyle , Thomas Gold , and Herman Bondi , this theory meant that the universe has no start or beginning and that it was always there . But later due to evolvement in science and technology , in 1960's , the discovery of the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation (CMB) strongly supported the Big Bang model and contradicted the Steady State theory. so this is proved that this universe did not always exist , it was created , atheist believe that this creation of universe and billions of galaxy took place due to big explosion called the big bang theory , if u study astronomy , u will know that the stars , the planets , everything is still moving in an direction , the stars and planets are moving away from each other , which means that at one point they were together , like if u hold a lot of balls in one hand and then throw them , they will scatter , they will move away from each other , that starting point how did it happen ? why did it happen ? , then another theory written by Ellis Silver is that "Humans are not from Earth" . Which means they were created for some other planet or galaxy . Adam , the first man on earth and a prophet in Islam said Surah Al-Baqarah 2:36 –
“…We said, ‘Go down, all of you, from here [Paradise]. Then when guidance comes to you from Me, whoever follows My guidance, there will be no fear concerning them, nor will they grieve.’”
Surah Al-A‘raf 7:25 –
“Therein (on Earth) you will live, and therein you will die, and from it you will be brought forth.”
proving that humans were not built for this world , this statement was already known to the first man on earth 1400+ years ago
Ok so your argument suggests that Big Bang theory is wrong for it just explains the start of the universe which was billions of years earlier and instead you choose Quran, a book written just some thousand years earlier, as a fact book which contains several non sensical claims like those who don't believe in Allah shall be punished with death. The fact is neither me nor you don't know what happened before Big Bang and acknowledge that science is still advancing and Muslims claim they know everything. And for the claim that Humans were sent to Earth is also totally absurd as Evolution explains how homosapiens were created. The story of a Adam is a fairy tale; Quran, a story book. Those 2 things have to do nothing with reality for I can pull out my Harry Potter Novel and say that Harry was a God, or cast Pokemon's example and say that a legendary Pokemon created this universe. But it all won't make sense as this is all fiction, same as Quran. Accepting reality is Atheism and it's not Bizarre, but Casting Fairy Tails as proven set of facts is bizzare
Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and spread mischief in the land is death, crucifixion, cutting off their hands and feet on opposite sides, or exile from the land. This ˹penalty˺ is a disgrace for them in this world, and they will suffer a tremendous punishment in the Hereafter.1
Round 2
Qur’an does not reject the Big Bang — in fact, it mentions the concept before science discovered it:
“Do not the disbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them…” (Qur’an 21:30)
- This matches the idea that the universe began from a single point.
Saying “we don’t know” is fine, but atheism stops at “no Creator” without evidence — which is still a belief, not pure science.
the verse u quoted of the Quran is about war criminals and violent rebels, not peaceful disbelievers.
- It is the same as treason laws in most countries — even atheistic ones.
- Qur’an elsewhere says:“There is no compulsion in religion.” (2:256)“If they incline to peace, incline to it also.” (8:61)
So his “Islam kills all who disagree” claim is simply false. “You’re saying the Qur’an is fiction and atheism is reality, but your worldview can’t explain how the universe came from nothing, why physical constants are fine-tuned for life, or where consciousness comes from.
You mock the idea of a Creator as a fairy tale, yet accept the far less probable idea that randomness created order, life, morality, and intelligence — with no cause. If that’s not bizarre, what is?”
So your claim is that Quran is a peaceful book because you interpret it in that way, but not everyone look at it the same way. Islamic terrorist follow it the way it is written, wage war against who opposes Allah while some sections of Muslims like yourself defend it by adding additional information to the verses like It is a punishment for Bad people, which is not written in Quran in its finest. A book so vague and ambiguous shouldn't be guiding humanity. Quran is a primitive book which emerged just some time ago, it is flawed as it goes against human values and seldom contradicts itself. The coexistence of many religions is a big proof that religions were made by mere humans. Richard Dawkins has already tackled the question of where the world came from in his book The God Delusion by using the contradiction method, he said, if everything comes from something and that something is God then who made God. You can counter Argue by saying that God was always there and he is absolute, so I would reply to it before you say that, If God is absolute and doesn't come from anything how come Universe isn't absolute and has to come from something. If you want to counter Argue or have some more query about the emergence of Universe read The God Delusion for I can't just summarise a whole book here
Consciousness, Intelligence, and from where it all came. Perhaps you should have studied biology before Quran so that you could understand it. I see believers say all the time 'Who runs the heart' 'How can a Eye see' 'How can we think' And I say just read biology. Consciousness is nothing but a bunch of chemical Reactions taking place in our brain creating mind and intelligence. And to dive deep in it, read Sapiens, where Yual Noah Hrari has explained in detail how believers confuse their hypothetical spirituality with Biological and Scientific Consciousness. We haven't reached that level yet to know everything, but we certainly accept that we don't know. We don't say "Ok we don't know, but we are to act as if we know, and to act as if we know, we will take this Harry Potter Novel and say seee this, it explains from where the world came, who made humans and Consciousness. We will call everyone, who tries to go after reality Bizarre and follow this Harry Potter Novel as the absolute truth. Nobody should doubt it. We will protect this novel and justify all the killing it cause with whatever we have got, adding to verses, manipulating them.
Atheists say there is no God, for there is no Good reason for one to be. Now don't quote any verses from that fairy tale compilation for that doesn't prove anything or asset anything logical.
Just Imagine if I call you weird for not believing in Pegasus. A creature found in only children books. It won't make sense right, especially when someone is saying that A pokemon created this universe or a dragon created it or a man on cross created it or it's the devil. How Bizarre it is that you choose the God which your parents or society follow. How can you be sure if he is the right God?
And the last one, Morality holds biological importance for Humanity as a whole, it fosters humanity. Humanity will continue even without a book telling us to tell how to behave. And it's definitely bizarre that some humans are to be told how to live their life by a primitive book with many flaws. Randomness of life is yet another argument, a weightless one, countered by many people already. Just study Evolution, it explains that life isn't random. You can reach me at my gmail instead for I want a deep discussion and not mere one sided soleless typing and I think too aren't too well in it. [email protected] I would prefer a discussion over a voice call
Round 3
Any moral or legal text — religious or secular — requires interpretation. The U.S. Constitution, for example, is under constant debate between judges, lawyers, and citizens, yet it’s still the guiding framework for a country. The fact that there are different interpretations doesn’t automatically mean the text is flawed; it means that human beings bring their own worldview, biases, and socio-political context to it.
With the Qur’an, extremists tend to ignore its contextual verses (which were often revealed during war, addressing specific conflicts) and apply them universally, while moderates consider the historical background and cross-reference verses to form a cohesive moral framework. Whether you agree with either method, the variance in interpretation is a human phenomenon, not necessarily evidence that the text is invalid.
“If God is absolute and needs no creator, why can’t the universe be absolute?”This is a fair philosophical challenge.
In classical metaphysics, there’s a distinction between:
- Contingent existence — things that could either exist or not exist (like stars, planets, living beings) and depend on external causes.
- Necessary existence — something that must exist by its very nature and cannot not exist (God is defined this way in theism).
The reason many philosophers (not just religious ones — e.g., Aristotle, Aquinas) argue the universe can’t be the necessary being is that the universe, as we observe it, changes, decays, and appears to have had a beginning (per cosmology, entropy, and expansion). A “necessary being” must be outside time and space and not subject to change. Whether you accept that definition is up to you, but it’s not an irrational idea — it’s a metaphysical position, just like “the universe is self-existing” is a metaphysical position. Neither can be proven in a lab, both are philosophical commitments.It’s true that neuroscience explains mental processes in terms of electrochemical activity — but explaining the process isn’t the same as explaining the origin. Knowing how a TV works doesn’t tell you where the first TV came from.
The “hard problem of consciousness” (David Chalmers) still stands: why does subjective experience — the “what it’s like to be” — exist at all, instead of just unconscious biological functions? Science can map the correlates of consciousness but hasn’t cracked the origin of consciousness itself. That’s why both materialist and non-materialist philosophers still debate it heavily.
Evolutionary biology can explain why cooperative behavior evolved (reciprocal altruism, kin selection, group survival advantages). But descriptive biology doesn’t automatically create prescriptive ethics — the “is–ought problem” (David Hume).For example, evolution has also favored deception, aggression, and domination in certain contexts. Without an external moral standard, it’s difficult to argue why some evolved behaviors (like helping) are “good” and others (like exploitation) are “bad” beyond personal or cultural preference. Secular systems can build moral frameworks (humanism, utilitarianism), but they still rely on foundational moral assumptions that are, at their core, unprovable axioms — just like religious moral systems. Do you speak any other language other than English ?
Quran can't be compared with any constitution, for Constitution is subject to interpretation of the judges to an extent but it can't be misinterpreted. For example, freedom is a right in the constitution, if someone is hammering a nail it's his freedom and if he uses his hammer to hurt others it doesn't fall in the category of freedom but crime. Constitution can't be exclusive of every single thing like where wielding a hammer is freedom and where it becomes a crime. That interpretation is up to the judges to use their brains and correctly interpret it in context of the case. But Quran isn't like this, terrorism is the polar opposite of peace and if someone calls it a peaceful book while some other person is literally killing people sanctioning his crimes under Qur'an then the text is indeed flawed. There's a limit to interpretation, interpretation is creating the meaning of something, bending the meaning of a text as per convenience is indeed a flaw. In case of Quran it is straight up written to kill those who opposes Allah, and those who follow Quran to the core do what is written there. And when Quran is questioned people bend its meaning just to defend Quran. At this point, it's hypocrisy,not interpretation.
If there's a higher being, so much advanced that it's out of The sphere of Time and space, how can you even name it, 'name' a concept built by humans. How can you characterize it, concept of sins, deeds, karma was created by humans and comes in sphere of Time and space.
When you look at the larger picture, everything which is related with Allah, Sins, Good Deeds, rebirth, morals. All these things aren't even universal, these are humane things which can be reasoned with Biology. They come under the sphere of Time and Space. Looking at larger picture it surely is evident that Quran was indeed created by Humans and the aim was clearly to explain their surroundings. As Quran is being questioned these days and it can't be reasoned with logic and believers can't afford to lose, they sneak in an excuse that Allah is a concept that is out of the world. Which is a contradiction in itself as if it's actually out of the world then humans wouldn't be talking about it. The same way we can't see in 4d, or there isn't a way to see dark matter even when it exists. We can't sneak in a supernatural, defined as not defined to protect quran.
The argument about cognitive and necessary existence, also has to do nothing with Quran for it also talks about the supernatural. And you automatically assume that that supernatural is YOUR god Allah, as if Hinduism, Jainism, Cristianity, and some thousand others don't exist. Hypothetically speaking I accept there is a super natural, you prove me that that supernatural is Allah and I accept that I lost the debate.
'Universe is self existing is a philosophical idea' that's not true at all. All the forces in nature, colours, sound, thunder are being explained by science. Only when there is a lack in knowledge, Allah is there, and once we fill that Gap with actual science, believers find another gap in knowledge to give Allah a space. Even though The universe and it's origin can't be completely explained by science as of now, but the chances of it being created by Allah are the same as being created by a Pokemon, for both of them are mere fairytales
"Consciousness is a stupid concept, it's Allah that moves us all like puppets, Biology is conspiracy, it can't explain a few things, this is Quran it explains everything, without a flaw"
Consciousness is biological and can be preety much explained by science but if you are lazy enough to study all the biological reports and don't want to fill your knowledge gap, just like the existence of universe, you fill it with Quran. Which promotes violence in several verses and is irrelevant to scientific material world. A book which says Earth is four cornered. Primitive people believed thunder to be wrath of God, today we mock them. For they had a knowledge gap, they didn't had the technology to know about charges at that time, but still we ridicule them today. If you don't want to be mocked for your knowledge gap and filling it with Allah, be an atheist, believe in science rather than Quran. Evolution has already been researched enough to answer Origins of morality, group gathering, deception and every other thing you mentioned in your last paragraph. It should have worked if you made this argument 50 years earlier, but now this gap is filled with science, Find another gap to fit in Allah.
The Gaps of thunder, evolution, human beginning, morals, etc are already filled by science, universe gap will soon be filled by science. Theists must find another knowledge gap to sneak in Allah and Quran, or it would become "Theism is Bizarre"
No personal hate or intention to hurt your, or someone else's feelings, it might sound rude but believe me It's not intended to. I had to use mockery, for I realised reviewing your last argument that you are taking help from the internet for most of your facts and arguments that give atheists a hard time. To counter such things, I had to use such tone, for I don't use any other thing other than my brains in a debate. I have a history of walking in a debate without a paper and winning. Will soon contact you. Period.
Hey let's start the debate, I don't know how to do it, but I think we have to debate here in comment section, so answer me, why do you think that atheism is bizzare