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Topic
#6480

Offense = Harm

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The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

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After not so many votes...

It's a tie!
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Standard
Number of rounds
5
Time for argument
One day
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10,000
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One week
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1500
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Description

Modern consensus seems inconsistent on this subject. The divide appears greatest between Academia and Christendom, with the state-sponsored education system and conservative Christian churches being at odds. I will argue for the negative, from a conservative Christian perspective, attempting to show that causing offense is not only non-harmful, but potentially helpful and more loving than affirmation. The "pro" side will argue for the affirmative, and will attempt to show that causing offense is necessarily harmful.

Round 1
Con
#1
Only if a statement that causes offense is false, can it be harmful, and perhaps not even then. Having hurt feelings and being harmed ate two separate things. Having your feelings hurt can actually be helpful, rather than harmful. If the charge against you is true, then you can use it as a catalyst for self-improvement. If it is false, there is no cause for offense in the first place. 
Pro
#2
Forfeited
Round 2
Con
#3
I can't even think of an example of someone saying something that causes offense, in which it is justified for the recipient of the critique to feel offended.
Pro
#4
My opponent claims that offense is never justified, and even if a statement offends, it can’t cause harm. This is an oversimplification that ignores both real-world effects and common human experience.

So let's first establish how we define and distinguish two important key terms, harm and offense. If we go off the general understanding and definitions.

Offense: An emotional response that can arise from insults, accusations, or critiques. While subjective, it can lead to tangible negative outcomes.

Harm: Not only physical injury, but also reputational, psychological, or relational damage. (Law and psychology both recognize this.)

Now my opponent has claimed that only false statements can harm, and even then they shouldn’t and my rebuttal would be False statements do harm supported by the historically vast amounts of libel, slander, and defamation that has taken place that have caused legally recognized harms. If someone falsely accuses me of a crime, my reputation, livelihood, and relationships suffer, regardless of whether I “should” feel offended.

My opponent also argues that truthful statements, if offensive, are actually helpful because they can push someone toward self-improvement. But this claim assumes that people always respond to truth rationally and constructively, which is simply not the case. A true statement delivered harshly or maliciously can inflict genuine psychological harm. A teacher who publicly humiliates a student for a real mistake isn’t “helping” that student and in fact more often, they cause shame, anxiety, and a fear of participation. Likewise, revealing a painful truth about someone’s past in a cruel or public way can reopen wounds and retraumatize them. The truth itself doesn’t guarantee help; how it’s used matters.

Finally, my opponent insists that offense is never justified. This is an extreme position that ignores both human dignity and common experience. When someone is insulted based on race, religion, disability, or other personal identity, it is entirely justified for them to feel offended. In fact, society recognizes this, harassment laws and workplace protections exist precisely because repeated verbal offense can cause real harm over time. Dismissing all offense as unjustified is the same as telling people their experiences and pain are invalid, which is not a serious or defensible argument.

False statements can and do cause harm, but even true statements can be harmful depending on how they’re delivered. This isn’t just opinion, psychology and sociology show that words affect stress, reputation, and relationships in real, measurable ways. Offense isn’t imaginary... it points to underlying harm that research and law both recognize. That’s why claiming offense is never justified ignores science, history, and human experience.

Sources

Verbal abuse changes the brain

Teicher, M.H., Samson, J.A., Sheu, Y.S., Polcari, A., & McGreenery, C.E. (2010). Hurtful words: Association of exposure to peer verbal abuse with elevated psychiatric symptom scores and corpus callosum abnormalities. American Journal of Psychiatry, 167(12), 1464–1471.



Discrimination and offense harm health

Pascoe, E.A., & Smart Richman, L. (2009). Perceived discrimination and health: A meta-analytic review. Psychological Bulletin, 135(4), 531–554.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19586161

Round 3
Con
#5
I stand by the claim that offense is never justified. I can do this because it can be shown that to not be offended by what someone else says in never necessary, nor is it ever the best response.  So, while I don't deny that people do feel offended, or even that it is a natural response, it is the responsibility of the party receiving the critique to control his own emotions.

I can agree to my opponent's definitions of "offense" and "harm," and also appreciate their granting the fact that I am not referring to physical offense, without my specifying it.

I also failed to specify the exceptions of libel and slander from my statement concerning even false offensive statements not necessarily being harmful, so i must concede that point. However, outside of those two exceptions,  i stand by my statement. I want to remind my opponent that the prompt was not that offense can not be harmful, but that it does not necessarily equate to harm. 

The example my opponent provided of public humiliation by a teacher is a strong one for their position, but even in this case, for the student to be offended, though instinctual and natural, is not the best reaction for the student to have, (though especially difficult to overcome, given the authority/subject dynamic, the perhaps old/young dynamic, the presence of peers, etc.) The student would be best served by prioritizing logic and reason over emotion, and making the following assessments of the situation: Was the critique given, whether kindly or cruelly, accurate, and to what degree? If it was inaccurate, what defense might he give on his behalf, to the class, if permitted, and to his peers privately, if the teacher is truly being cruel? If it was accurate to some degree, or in whole, though embarrassing,  what might he want to change/improve, or what mitigating factors might he wish to voice? He can also make a judgement about the rudeness of his teacher, or the impressionability of his peers, etc. If the teacher was trying to be rude or cruel, and was making an ill-founded critique,  he mustn't give it much weight. He can simply tell himself, "Wow, that teacher is an idiot and a jerk." He can feel free to express these sentiments to his peers, minimizing his embarrassment. So while we would all forgive and understand the young student in this example being offended, we can also see that it isn't the most rational, logical,  or beneficial reaction he could potentially have. 

You'll note that I have no sources as I am relying solely on my own logic, reason, and observation here, but I'm not asking that my opponent follow suit.

Pro
#6
Forfeited
Round 4
Con
#7
Forfeited
Pro
#8
Forfeited
Round 5
Con
#9
I notice that my opponent  is engaged in a different debate at this time, which is perhaps more interesting to them. Thusly, I am uncertain as to where to go from here. I'll conclude by stating that, unless my opponent can show that offense necessarily equates to harm, they have failed to meet the requirements for upholding the statement, "Offense = Harm."
Pro
#10
Forfeited