Woman should be allowed to walk around topless in public without being shamed for it.
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The debate will be based on a societal ought, so I believe a shared BoP is appropriate here.
I don't do contingencies beyond default debate rules so argue any way you see fit.
4. Men do not get shamed for doing it.
7. Being topless is an amoral act. Which is to say that it has nothing to do with morality whatsoever.
Pro: "Men do not get shamed for being topless"Me: "Yes, they do. If I walked into my office without a shirt on tomorrow I would be shamed, along with every other male professional who works with the public."Pro: "Okay, you've now turned this into a red herring. Once again, I said in public"
Pro: "I cannot even fathom a situation where the act of being topless by itself is immoral. Being rude implies that you're offending someone, so once again, it's only immoral to be rude if you're on private property"
- Do laws define what is socially acceptable?
- Does shame always equal prejudice/bullying?
Con: "Societal pressure tells us what is appropriate"Pro: False. Societal pressures are just people's opinions imposed on you. People do not have the right to impose their opinion on you, so this is both immoral and illegal. Furthermore, Societal pressure are not a path to truth. Societal pressures lead to the Nazi regime, if societal pressure can do that, then we don't need them.
Con: "I think it's inappropriate for (men or woman) to be almost naked at a public playground, or in a public court appearance, or war memorial. "Pro: All of those are public places and you have no right to tell people what to wear. In this case of courtrooms, they have a strict dress code and while you might get told to leave for being topless, the judge cannot have you arrest nor shame you for it.
Shame is just a mean of control, nothing else. It is only your opinion that it is good and I'm willing to be that's not a popular opinion. Unless you can prove that shame is necessary, then I don't want any part of it.We do outlaw shame, Shame is a form of bullying and bullying is illegal.
Nobody's offense matters. It only matters if they are being offended on their property, then to continue being on their property would be illegal.
Every point you've made relies on "legality" or "rights".
You keep jumping to "Shame = Nazi!", but this is a slippery slope fallacy