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Is Jesus Christ Father God who died on the cross?
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Please quote exactly. Do not rephrase or reinterpret. Answer all questions directly. Failure to comply with all this is an automatic forfeit.
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Round 1
Greetings.
What was your impression of the topic to draw you to accept?
It sounds like a muslim argument. Im guessing we'll be debating trinitarian theology. Jesus Christ is a different person from God, the Father, but the same Godly nature was on the cross.
Round 2
We actually going to certify with bible, the answer to the question.
Strictly scriptural topic.
If you are versed in it, get scripture that would read contrary.
Otherwise, I'm going into some things that will prove the point according to as it is written.
Is Jesus Christ Father God who died on the cross?
Yes.
As the scripture say, let your communication be Yea, yea; Nay, nay.
Let's get the book of John, chapter one and at verse one.
"1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men."
Now.....what happened with this word?....
14 "And the Word was made flesh"
This was Jesus Christ that came by truth . Christ himself said he was the truth and scriptures say let God be true and every man a liar .
He is the only one that is truth.
So therefore lining up as the scripture says line upon line, in Matthew 1:23
"Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us"
This was the word or God made flesh as there was no other time flesh was made than that made of a woman under the law.
So being that it is established through scripture as scripture have said, Jesus is God, who is God?
God is he that made all things. In the beginning the scripture say was the WORD.
It was God that created the heavens and the earth.
All the heavens, everything. Which includes people, right .
So when the scriptures say have we not all....one Father?
Have not one God created us?
The answer is yes according to Genesis 1 speaking of the one God creating man, male and female. That is the Father.
Now side stepping a bit, trinitarians make the error in saying God is not the Father. They're saying God stops being the Father where the scriptures say everlasting Father.
Scripture says from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.
But the doctrine teaches God stops being the Father. God ceased from being the creator. Scripture say they exchanged the truth about God for a lie.
What did Jesus say?
In John 14 Philip said show us the Father. Let's get that.
"9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father"
God saith unto him.....he that hath seen me hath seen the Father.
For the scripture say but unto us there is one God the Father.
Trinitarians can't accept one God the Father. They can't accept what is said and read. That can't accept Father God or Father SPIRIT being holy because it'll make them go back to the drawing board and rework seminary doctrine, see .
So I'll stop there with those witnesses from the witness of John , Matthew, and others .
Forfeited
Round 3
Looks like I can close this case early.
Forfeited
Round 4
Case closed.
Forfeited
