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Morality cannot exist without religion
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Round 1
Hello. What is your opinion on why morality cannot exist without religion
Hello, and thank you in advance for the opportunity to have a discussion and mutually expand our knowledge and experience :3
To begin, I must first clarify how I interpret the thesis presented in the topic. I believe that a person can be considered moral even if they do not believe in religion itself (for example, a nihilist who, based on rational analysis, decides not to kill).
However, if we interpret the thesis to mean that morality itself (i.e., a moral code) must inherently stem from religion, then this assumption misses the mark slightly.
I think that morality as such can be a natural outcome of conscious analysis. Most of the behaviors that Christianity, among others, is based on simply work well in the long term and allow us to function within a society. The moral principles we believe in do not necessarily have to be rooted in religion.
The third interpretation (which I believe is the most likely) concerns the genesis of the moral principles upheld by our society. It cannot be denied that the direct root of moral values and principles in European culture is Christianity—for this reason, for instance, morality truly could not have existed without religion. However, it is worth realizing *why* morality had to stem from religion. It was necessary not only because it simply works, but because values and standards of behavior had to be legitimized in some way - namely, by the authority of a higher being (God). If we were to reject Christianity as our standard of values (which essentially means rejecting the entirety of European behavioral models and norms), we would be left with principles that are impossible to justify.
Round 2
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I’ll add one more point that I forgot to mention earlier. Nietzsche proposed a bold course of action that involved rejecting Christian morality ('slave morality'), but I believe he was wrong. A world devoid of the heritage of the Christian faith would be, at best, bleak, and at worst—catastrophic. While Christianity may not have invented most of its principles, it skillfully curated and consolidated the best fruits of other Eastern cultures.
Round 3
Religion is the main reason why we have morals. Because even atheists can agree, that Christians, for example, do not murder because the Bible said so. So because of that we follow that because we do not have authority over a more powerful non sinful being. If the majority can be wrong (as we can see in examples such as slavery) for thousands of years, we can’t trust the majority, we have to look at what more powerful and divine.
But let’s take the example of an atheist looking that murder is bad. Why? Why is it bad? They might respond “because unjustly taking a human life could never be a correct answer”. But if we are all pointless and accidental, what does it matter. What is one life going to do in a difference in the world? “Well it’s still unjust”. Who is saying it’s unjust, is it you or is it someone more powerful than you like a judge or lawmakers. Why do they make that law? “Because you have to keep peace”. Why? The world can never be truly peaceful, there will always be somebody who breaks peace, so if peace can never be maintained, why bother?
Instead we have to look at what gives us this purpose. Because religion is what we look on to answer these questions like “what is our purpose?” And “what is right vs wrong?”
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Round 4
I see in the current debates your on you forfeit. If you want we cane redo this
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Religion doesn't make morality nor does it make it ethical or moral because of religious beliefs.
Agruement falls apart:
1. There is many different religion in the world with different meaning of morality. There is no proof or context that a spefic religion is the "right religion".
2. Religion has caused many wars, torment, bigotry ect.. in history and today continues to push down others especially in the LGBT+ communities.
3. Morals is purely subjective based on perceptions, reasoning on individuals. It's mostly based on personal perspectives on what's "good" and what's "bad".
4. Morals is not a human behavior. Humans just have a better grasp of understanding the morals.
What is more prominent
1. Humans have a natural advanced cognitive ability to understand abstract, emoitional reasoning and logic to form morals better then animals.
2. Humans are naturally social creatures with certain instincts to protect others especially young humans.
I missed my turn, sorry