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1500
rating
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debates
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Topic
#6705

Trump doesnt care about the american people and just wants power.

Status
Finished

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After not so many votes...

It's a tie!
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
One day
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
One week
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
0
1500
rating
36
debates
50.0%
won
Description

oh yeaaah im kinda gay

Round 1
Pro
#1
Trump does not care about the American people.
He prioritizes his own economical and political power over the people.
He has been known to deport people over skin color instead of crimes. While yes, Obama did deport people, he deported criminals. Not families, children, nor  the innocent.

Trump has posted himself as an AI generated image of him being depicted as Jesus while the Obamas being monkeys. How does this correlate?
Power. By depicting himself as Jesus this correlates him as powerful.
Immigrants are a statistical minority in the United States.
By eliminating the minority, this grants Trump more power because the less there is of a minority, the more there is of a majority.
The majority of U.S people will most likely support trump.
Deportation of the innocent promotes division, for the United States of America should stay united and undivided.
Having Trump in the office allows for division, defeating the purpose of the U in USA.

Trump having tariffs cause economic distress, in which he ignores.
Tariffs benefit the rich while hurting the working families that are poor.
Due to tariffs, an increase of 10 to 15%, have added about 1,700$ to 3,800$.
Because of such, an increase of poverty is suspected to happen. Research from the Yale Budget Lab supports this. The Americans living in poverty with increase from 650,000 to 875,000. (See links below)
Tariffs have also caused a price spike in clothing, around a 17% increase on pricing. 53% of Americans have reported a worsening financial situation.
This percentage of worsening financial situations of Americans simply shows how Trump doesn't care about the American people, rather the power he gains from being a president of an entire country.
There is much, much, much more information, however I am currently struggling with personal things.
Please understand why I did not type more! Thank you!

           
         
           

Con
#2
I dont mind the short paragraphs, it makes me feel pressured to write long ones to so your fine with that.

Yes he is depicting himself as powerful with the picture of Jesus. Is that a problem. Is it better to have a leader known to be nice or a leader known to be feared. If we aren’t saying we can’t have both. You can’t play the nice guy in world politics, you’ll get taken advantage of. Being powerful shows that you are strong and will not cede to any other power. Could he have done this without posting himself as Jesus? Yes. I do understand how and why this would upset people, but most of these people are not Christians themselves and not to point fingers or call people out, Christians that don’t take scripture to heart. 

I very disagree that Trump getting rid of immigrant minority makes him better because from 2020 to 2024 elections. People who are immigrants increased to trump voters from 36% to 48%. That’s a historical high. Trump was open about deportations before the election while campaigning, that means that these immigrants were people who weren’t breaking the laws, the number will keep increasing from there after trumps turn because democrats have been proven to be making illegal immigrants vote illegally to turn elections in their favors.

The Right and the left in the USA has always been divided, getting rid of the U in USA makes no sense because it isn’t the United people of America, it’s the United STATES of America.

Yes I disagree with tariffs, before I continue. There is no winner in a tariff war. Yes it does affect the poor more than the rich, but there is no reason to say it benefits the rich.
Round 2
Pro
#3
You make good statements here, however-
The states are the lands of the people who live there.
There should be a critical balance between both being kind and being powerful, for there is a difference between being strong and being unpredictable.
If a leader is feared, then it weakens their allies such as NATO.
Trump representing himself as Jesus healing a man isn't about strength but Hubris-putting oneself above a religious god- historically speaking, leaders who demand devotion instead of loyalty often struggle with being confronted. Trump sometimes dismisses points in order to avoid such.

Around 60% of MAGA followers are Christain, White, AND male.
Trump can control ICE, which means he enforces the deportation. Of course, deportation is important to maintain a country, however-
ICE deports innocent people, including U.S citizens.
Voting for someone doesn't mean their policies wont hurt you.
The majority of mixed people have a family member who is undocumented.
Mass deportations are blind, meaning they disrupt local economies, separate families and cause labor shortages that raise prices.
Every major audit, including those by Republican officials in states like Georgia and Arizona, found that non-citizen voting is statistically non-existent.
It is also a felony for a non-citizen to vote or register in federal elections.

In order to stay united, the people must stay united. One of the most common quotes is United we stand, divided we fall.
Do I dislike the left and right division? Heavily. I believe in liberty, justice, equality and truth as of my religious beliefs and teachings (And just general morals before I followed the religion) and due to the division I have decided to lean on the left more than the right. 

The government shutdowns over disagreements is another signal of Trump not caring about the American people. 
Social Security offices and other essential services shut down over a little disagreement.

About tariffs, while they may not benefit the rich directly, they still are a regressive tax.
A wealthy person doesn't feel a 20% increase in the price of a toaster or a car, however, a person living paycheck-to-paycheck does.




Con
#4
I still don’t understand how specific states have to do anything with this.

There should be a balance between kind strong and feared. Trump is no doubt unpredictable, I still fail to see how this proves he isn’t kind and is a bad thing. 

“If a leader is feared it weakens their allies, like NATO”. Yes, if you are a powerful country it makes others look weaker, I fail to see what point your trying to make, NATO is seen to be carried by America because it is carried by America.

I don’t understand what your trying to say with being loyal vs devotion, but trump could’ve avoided as well depicting himself as Jesus, but it still doesn’t prove that he doesn’t care for his people, it’s just a flaw of his.

I disagree that it’s Christian white and male, it is 70% Christian, 70% white but only 40% male, which is interesting. But it still doesn’t prove anything that trump doesn’t care for his people.

You say yourself that deportations re essential but you say that it’s a problem that ice deports USA citizen. This is wrong. Name me one USA citizen (immigrant or not) that got deported under trumps ice, you can’t, that is the media that made that up and got popularized.

It’s only 5% of households have an undocumented citizen, but what does this prove anyway? The number of immigrants voting red is rising continually and at record paces with trump. Trump was open about deportations during campaigning, the people who voted knew of this and voted for it, immigrants support this. The percentage is even lower than what it should be because the left encourage illegals to unlawfully vote in elections, rigging them in their favor, which is why they are so against the law saying that you must have a proof of identity when voting.

Mass deportations are meant to keep the country safe and orderly

“On Sunday, White House Senior Advisor Stephen Miller claimed 14% of non-citizens are registered to vote”, this was from a while back in 2016. The amount of immigrants voting has increased from then, they know it’s illegal, and trump is trying to enforce it with showing proof of voter id when voting, which seems good, right? I mean we are enforcing the laws that prohibit it, then why are democrats so against this rule? It is estimated that 50% of illegal immigrants voted in the 2024 election.

I don’t understand bringing up the divided we fall quote, yes it’s true, but it’s more true if we have zero division. If we only let one group or party with one set of morals and one group of ideas, it leads to exploitation and manipulation. We need to have different parties to be able to discuss politics and what it means to have these liberties and how we can keep them. I’d recommend to read 1984 which simulates what life would be like if we didn’t have politics.

How does the government shutting down have to do with trump? Also please prove to me that the government shutting down was not democrats, and that republicans constantly try to reopen it to support the people who don’t get paid like TSA, and instead the money goes into congressmen pockets. That’s why trump sent ice agents to help tsa. Were they qualified? No. But there wasn’t a deportation involved with ice in airports, prove to me otherwise. Give specific names.

Correct tariffs don’t benefit the rich, so why’d you say it did? Anyways tariffs are irrelevant and should not be there, I’ll give you that.
Round 3
Pro
#5
Forfeited
Con
#6
Gg