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Is it wrong for a man to be a feminist and into feminism and neglect ultra masculinity?
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Please quote exactly. Do not rephrase or reinterpret. Answer all questions directly. Failure to comply with all this is an automatic forfeit.
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Round 1
Alright a survey to screen for serious available folks.
What was your impression of the topic to draw you to participate here?
What was your impression of the topic to draw you to participate here?
I think that feminism has gone tofar, I think the standard men masculinity has been great for mankind.
Women's suffrage, women in the workplace has been great. I just think that it is better for a man to be masculine rather then being feminism.
In it's current form feminism has gone way to far, I call modern feminism "woke".
Women's suffrage, women in the workplace has been great. I just think that it is better for a man to be masculine rather then being feminism.
In it's current form feminism has gone way to far, I call modern feminism "woke".
Round 2
I'm going to unpack what I mean by ultra masculinity.
This has to do with men taking the place that they're not completely equal to women which establishes roles in society and men that are not masculine will attempt or agree or compromise or be liberal to interchange these roles.
Men and women are not completely equal and men naturally and biologically must lead women as women biologically are to follow.
Men and women are not completely equal and men naturally and biologically must lead women as women biologically are to follow.
So because they are not completely equal in these three things, we'll make this straightforward.
1. Physical
2. Mental
3. Emotion.
So because men are not completely equal physically and the potential ultimate capacity is there for this is the case, for women to be cared for and protected, they will have to be subject to the leadership and instruction of men.
Men are mentally more stable and sound to make decisions. So guess what.....
women would have to follow suit.
This is a segue into emotion.
Women naturally are more emotional more emotion based due to their nature for nuturing.
In times and situations to make decisions that are pressed for men to make, their focus will be triggered in handling social plights and goals . The emotion will be lacking into making them focus on things outside of chaos that the woman must follow to be led into calm and peace states of being.
Questions here now.
Do you agree or disagree with anything stated here or do you have questions about anything that was said?
Thanks for your time and participation.
I think that women are allowed to lead.
Look at Thatcher, or Kamala Harris. Both competent women. I understand the claim that men make all the important decisions.
I ask of you that you understand that war is started by men. Men in power are more likely to become greedy and attack a neighboring country, take Trump for example.
Not all women are unstable at making decisions, in fact women can take hard decisions. Just because they have periods does not mean that hormones automaticly = bad at decisions.
Also, I believe that men and women apart are not as good as them together. Women posess higher emotial IQ and men higher rational IQ so I think combine the two and you have a very good almost perfect combination of humanity and rationality (if that is a word lol).
I also thank you for your participation ;)
Round 3
It's not very clear here. Do you agree or disagree with anything I said?
If there is disagreement on a point, highlight it and explain your disagreement. I'm getting a summary of things instead of a laser focused point of contention.
Thanks.
I will explain it more clearly this time. Your 3rd point is emotional; I disagree with that. A woman can – and almost always will – make hard decisions.
They have more empathy, but is that a bad thing?
Your second point is mental; not all men are as mentally strong as the man you are describing. Women are also mentally very strong; look at Giorgia Meloni. In times in which Italy has suffered, she has gotten order back there.
With physical I kind of agree; men are biologically stronger than women, but does that mean that all men are stronger than women? No, some women can be stronger than men.
I think that women are sometimes even more mature when making decisions.
I hope this is clearer for you!
Round 4
"They have more empathy, but is that a bad thing? "
No. Just the difference between the two. See right here you have omitted how a man is different from a woman and to deny that is denying his masculinity which would be wrong according to the truth of who he is who she is.
This empathy or greater emotion is present in women as you omitted. That is the separation from men and women.
"Your second point is mental; not all men are as mentally strong as the man you are describing. "
Exactlyyyyy.....therrrrre ...you go. Not all men are mentally strong or we wouldn't be even having this topic exchange or conversation .
Another omission here by you. See, if you think about it, as we start talking about this, even by your reflection of all this, it still reflects the reality we're in .
"Women are also mentally very strong; look at Giorgia Meloni. In times in which Italy has suffered, she has gotten order back there."
I haven't used the language "mentally very strong". So I don't know what is meant by that. I did say men are mentally more stable and sound to make decisions and thar is because of their disparity in as you've said "empathy" brought on by more emotion that you agree women have.
"With physical I kind of agree; men are biologically stronger than women, but does that mean that all men are stronger than women? No, some women can be stronger than men."
No. It does mean ALL men inherently are . Due to muscle versus fat composition, it is biologically certified that men are not completely equal. Male and female are inherit markers, not conditional ones.
Then by saying some women can be stronger, a conditional occurrence, still presents disparity. So either way we slice it , we can't be completely equal ever . Male and female are that because they're not completely equal.
But when you're dishonest to say they are , it's like making female and male interchangeable.
"I think that women are sometimes even more mature when making decisions."
More disparity. This is why often women marry older men due to the disparity in maturity so the older individual would have gained more maturity in decision making to lead the other. The man leading the woman in guidance for protection, shielding and caring for her.
But men that deny this and want or expect women to reverse these roles is wrong or unhealthy. This is because in times of care, protection, embrace , shelter, a mature cognitive judgment, if all is neglected or denied, this in turn would be deleterious to her health and well being. Men and women that begin to have families, for the sake of a woman's pregnant condition, she is more fragile and vital in her condition that would require the care necessary from her mate. This is the masculinity which is the opposite of that which explains the different bodily composition, explains the emotion/empathy disparity.
So the men that don't deny this masculinity, it is healthy in that mankind can flourish. I hope through this topic people can see the essence in what I saying in that maintaining, not denying but embracing the ying and yang, the natural order of things for our survival. But people today just think on the surface or are shallow seeing certain words, getting triggered and charge so called misogyny and preach "you should be a feminist".
That's not what this is. This subject has nothing to do with that . It is not the subject.
I changed my mind . Thanks for this debate :)
Round 5
Case closed.
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You said: "Men and women are not completely equal and men naturally and biologically must lead women as women biologically are to follow." What century do you live in? If you really think men and women aren't equal, you are really dumb. Just because most men are physically stronger than most women, doesn't make men better than women. Some men use their status just like racist white people think they are superior. Women are very loving, and a lot of them work just as hard or harder than men especially considered men can sometimes be favored in jobs. Men and women are equal even if dumbass narcissists think they are better.
Could you define more what you are asking, aka your stance?