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Topic
#6752

Red > Blue

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Round 1
Pro
#1
Alright, so my main point is the phrasing of the question. My hypothesis is that that the phrasing of the question makes it sound like you can save lives and peals to emotion when in reality your just creating a problem that doesn’t need to be there.
Let’s rephrase into a identical situation:
500 hundred people are lined up blindfolded along train tracks, no one is allowed to communicate/talk. On the count of three you can jump onto the train tracks or stay where you are. If 250 people jump, the trains weight sensor will stop the train. 
Everybody is safe, the only reason why anyone is in danger is if you deliberately jump onto the tracks blindly praying that 250 people jump with you, now let’s change that to 4.5 Billion people. Who in the world would trust their life with that many strangers. As humans we are sinful and selfish. Everyone has greed in their heart. 
If you were randomly teleported to a room and say you can either save yourself or this random stranger from this random place on earth. Unless you’re suicidal, majority of people would choose to save themselves. It’s not about empathy it’s about survival.
Con
#2
This is a very dishonest argument to make. And, based on what you said, you didn't seem to actually read or at least comprehend my previous debate. But, you are correct that the choice of a certain option is more guilty of creating unnecessary risk, but it's not the blue one. You explicitly reframed the hypothetical using an analogy to try to make the blue choice seem more responsible for risk. But, such analogies are misleading. 

For instance:
Imagine that there are two buttons. One button does nothing. One also does nothing unless >50% of people press it, in which case everyone who doesn't press it dies. Clearly, if anyone dies, it's more so the fault of those who chose to press a button with no real reward in the first place.

The reason this counters your analogy is that in your analogy you framed red as inaction and blue as suicide, but that's a biased way of viewing the simultaneous and complimentary nature of the causal influence of the buttons.

In other words, I'm not saying that my analogy is accurate or more accurate, only that framing either button as inaction is fallacious because neither button is inaction. 

Then, you say, "As humans we are sinful and selfish. Everyone has greed in their heart." Sin isn't real, and humans aren't purely selfish. Humans are partially a cooperative species. And, the argument of what people should press is distinct from the argument of what they will

You finally say, "If you were randomly teleported to a room and say you can either save yourself or this random stranger from this random place on earth. Unless you’re suicidal, majority of people would choose to save themselves. It’s not about empathy it’s about survival." 

This new hypothetical is incomparable. I would say it's reasonable that most people wouldn't agree to sacrifice themselves for one stranger. The button hypothetical is fundamentally different because death can be entirely avoided. 




So, the reason blue is ethically superior (meaning a standard of what choices people should generally or always make derives that choice) because it is the option that, if people were to actually generally press, would lead to the best outcome.


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