Instigator / Pro
10
1266
rating
119
debates
15.97%
won
Topic
#691

I should not have been banned

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
3
21
Better sources
2
14
Better legibility
4
7
Better conduct
1
7

After 7 votes and with 39 points ahead, the winner is...

Ramshutu
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
Three days
Max argument characters
30,000
Voting period
One week
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
49
1764
rating
43
debates
94.19%
won
Description

No information

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@Alec

It will be lifted shortly.

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@David
@bsh1

How long is Type1's ban if it's temporary?

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@bsh1

Okay.

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@TheRealNihilist

To my knowledge, a banned user cannot log into the site, and is therefore unable to perform any site functions.

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@bsh1

Can a banned user create debates but not be able to post arguments to it?

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@TheRealNihilist

A banned user cannot post arguments while banned. It's a great reason not to get banned.

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@bsh1

Tampon ban - 3 days in, 3 weeks out.

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@TheRealNihilist

He forfeited after 3 days. My previous argument was 3 days ago.

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@Ramshutu

Is he not allowed to submit arguments?
You posted your argument today and somehow he forfeited on the same day even though there is a 3 day window to post an argument.

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@Our_Boat_is_Right

Temp

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@bsh1

is it temp or perma?

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@Our_Boat_is_Right

DART still allows you to visit the pages of banned members. Type1 is currently banned.

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@Ramshutu

You forgot this one of the comments in the debate "I'm Gay" by type1.
"Shut up you neo nazi halfwit idiot. It's not my fault you are too busy jerking off to Jesus' mutilated corpse to realize when I am joking and when I'm not. You are a christian and a right winger, therefor anything you say about "logic" is equally valid to a toddler giving a lecture about quantum mechanics. You are a sperm guzzling toddler groping crotch licking chicken fucker, shut your god damn mouth."

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@David
@bsh1

So did type1 get banned? I see a line through his name but I am still able to go to his profile page.

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@Ramshutu

Okay.

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@TheRealNihilist

Public trials are where by someone or someone’s try and convince everyone else - and the mods of how bad someone is - and how this person deserves a ban or formal sanction.

It’s possible that it could be moderators approving it or not: but it is effectively an attempt to make moderation sanctions predicated on public opinion (which could have been stirred up by animosity, half truths and user popularity).

A public trial is essentially a call out thread posing as both fair and legitimate - when in reality it is neither of those things.

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@bsh1

"That implies that I erred and then retrospectively managed to conceal said error. Since no error was made, I never covered myself."
My implication was that it was difficult for me to pluck holes in the statement.

"No. If the people participating intended for it to be serious, that would be enough for me to consider it a trial, all other boxes being checked, even if a moderator were not in support of it."
Okay.

"We're not going to engage in that kind of speculation."
Okay.

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@TheRealNihilist

>> So how about if the call-out thread rule was removed and the public trail rule was removed?

We're not going to engage in that kind of speculation.

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@TheRealNihilist

>> Covered yourself really well there.

That implies that I erred and then retrospectively managed to conceal said error. Since no error was made, I never covered myself.

>> So basically in order for it to be a public trial it would require a higher-up to intend on it with the approval of other staff like Virtuoso. Am I right?

No. If the people participating intended for it to be serious, that would be enough for me to consider it a trial, all other boxes being checked, even if a moderator were not in support of it.

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@David

So how about if the call-out thread rule was removed and the public trail rule was removed?
Would it be a hypothetical yes to this:
So basically in order for it to be a public trial it would require a higher-up to intend on it with the approval of other staff like Virtuoso. Am I right?
How about if it was expired but you would like the open the case again based on new evidence?

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@TheRealNihilist

Trials would be considered "call out threads" and will be deleted. This is not considered a trial because Pro is debating the merits of his ban, not whether he should be permanently banned.

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@David

Hypothetical then. Just remove the public trial rule.
So basically in order for it to be a public trial it would require a higher-up to intend on it with the approval of other staff like Virtuoso. Am I right?
How about if it was expired but you would like the open the case again based on new evidence?

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@bsh1
@TheRealNihilist

The rules specifically forbids trials because it encourages mob rule.

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@bsh1

Covered yourself really well there.
So basically in order for it to be a public trial it would require a higher-up to intend on it with the approval of other staff like Virtuoso. Am I right?
How about if it was expired but you would like the open the case again based on new evidence?

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@TheRealNihilist

A public trial is an organized effort to debate whether a member should be banned, not litigating the merits of one which has already transpired or expired. A trial would also need to be meant seriously, not as a trolling effort.

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@bsh1

What is the difference between this and a public trial?
Would it be a public trial if you or Virtuoso accepted?

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@TheRealNihilist

Debating the merits of a banning is not the same as a trial. Certainly, moderation decisions need to be open to scrutiny and criticism, and so these types of debates are allowed.

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@Ramshutu

"Anti-Semitic speech"
Does it have to be blatant or can be done by using dog-whistling?
Would look to know on other rules as well.

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@David
@bsh1

Isn't this against the law?
Public execution and the executioner being Ramshutu.
Public trials if you didn't like the joke.