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#727

Does Science Disprove A Young Earth?

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The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

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Better sources
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2
Better conduct
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2

After 2 votes and with 11 points ahead, the winner is...

killshot
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@Speedrace

Haha no worries bro! I didn't take anything personal, it's just a debate! Sensitive topics when it involves someone's beliefs..

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@killshot

I think heated is an understatement lol, my bad for getting slightly aggressive

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@Speedrace

Thanks bro. It was a good debate!! I had a lot of fun! Sorry, if you took anything offensively, I definitely was NOT trying to be mean or offensive.. Debates sometimes get a little a heated! You did a great job though! It was fun :)

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@killshot

Noice dude, we've been evenly matched in the past but you absolutely destroyed me this time :O

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@Wrick-It-Ralph

Ya, that's a pretty good summary of it!

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@killshot
@Speedrace

I agree. I would like to note a common equivocation that tends to happen here though. To say that something is the exception to a rule is not automatically special pleading. If there can be a third party rule introduced that justifies the exception then it's a justified special pleading. Just putting that out there. However, The third party rule must exempt everything that it applies to so some third party rules are fallacious.

For instance.

Oranges and lemons and limes are all citrus fruits.

Let's say I want a special exception where oranges count as a "sweet citrus fruit" and my justification is that it has sugar in it.

This would justify the exception but since lemons and limes also have some sugar in them, it would move the whole set into the exception and would be vacuous. so I have to change the justification for my exception to be "because it has X sugar ratio and the others don't"

Maybe not a perfect analogy, but that's mostly because there's not a lot of cases of justified special pleading that aren't already painfully intuitive.

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@Speedrace

I have no intention of it. If I do by accident, call me out! :)

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@killshot

Which is why I won’t do that, and I expect that you won’t either :)

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@Speedrace

special pleading won't get either side anywhere

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@killshot

no problem

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@Wrick-It-Ralph

I'll have to check it out, thanks!

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@killshot

Yeah, because secular scientists have never special pleaded before

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@killshot

Actually. Hugh Ross has a pretty decent answer to this, but he's not a young earth creationist. He fits The Bible into physics quite eloquently to the point where even an atheist like me almost has to agree with it. You should check it out sometime.

Now obviously the bible matching physics isn't enough for me to become a theist, lol.

But I'm just saying that there are good arguments out there. Young earth is definitely a hard pill to swallow and the Ken Hamms of the world are not helping the case.

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@Wrick-It-Ralph

Ya, it's a good argument. Theist's only defense is special pleading.

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@Wrick-It-Ralph

Lol

And thanks

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@Speedrace

Good job brining up carbon dating. The blue star thing is new to me. I'll have to check that out.

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@killshot

Good job bringing up the speed of light. That's always my intuitive go to for this argument.

Planting my chair *plop*

Carrying on.