Default Auto Loss On Forfeit
All stages have been completed. The voting points distribution and the result are presented below.
With 2 votes and 4 points ahead, the winner is ...
- Publication date
- Last update date
- Time for argument
- One day
- Voting system
- Open voting
- Voting period
- Two weeks
- Point system
- Four points
- Rating mode
- Characters per argument
This stems from a disagreement on a feature suggestion (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/1655?). This was initially issued as a direct challenge, but with that contender unwilling to debate, it's open for anyone who believes his logic to accept.
Pro is arguing in favor of a single automatic conduct point allocation* for each forfeit committed during debates.
Con is arguing against such a system, on the basis that voters would be unable to mark worse conduct for rudeness.**
To not backtrack, pro takes the weakness to his case that the system is unchanged for debates scored via the Winner Selection method.***
Definitions: As this is a debate pertaining to a technical aspect of voting, so plain English, defaulting to the site CoC (https://www.debateart.com/rules) should any disagreement arise. Very basic math shall also be used.
Of course no K's (we're debating a technical and ethical aspect of this site, we are not debating if the internet exists etc.).
For reference (the conversation which lead to this debate, call it round zero if you like)...
Pro: "An easier way to handle [automatic loss on forfeit], would just be automatically giving a conduct point to the other side for each forfeit (could be done as "Admin" placing votes, even during the debate).
Con: "Counterpoint: What if I'm a rude bastard and you forfeit one Round?"
Pro: "Actual voters would still be able to override that through the length of the voting period."
Con: "What if voters tie us for arguments or enough voters disagree on who won them to make it so the conduct points aren't outweighed?"
Pro: "That would just be the system working as intended. By forfeiting one side has set the default end state to be a loss."
Con: "That's really idiotic, lol. That means they can't mark worse conduct for the rudeness."
Pro: "You may be having a comprehension problem. Nothing about the existence of prior votes, limits anyone's ability to cast future votes; to include assigning conduct in a different manner than the earlier votes."
Con: "You have a logic comprehension problem."
Pro: "Please enlighten us on why you believe it is impossible ('lol. That means they can't mark worse conduct for the rudeness.') for people to award conduct if conduct only votes exist previously? ... I'll point to one of your votes (https://www.debateart.com/debates/602?open_tab=votes&votes_page=1&vote_number=4) as an example, since you gave the opposite conduct score than every other voter, but are now insisting that logically cannot have happened."
Con: "you are a troll, end of story."
* This allocation is could be handled as one vote per forfeit, a single vote edited with the summation, or even a direct point adjustment applied without a technical vote cast. The important detail is the point modifier influencing the voting outcome.
** That rudeness can be significantly worse than a forfeited round, is an accepted premise pro shall not argue against.
*** Under categorical voting, conduct is worth 1 point but arguments are worth 3. Under Winner Selection arguments are worth just 1, making a conduct vote for a single point worth as much as an arguments.
"That's really idiotic, lol. That means they can't mark worse conduct for the rudeness."
"You have a logic comprehension problem."