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Topic

It is possible to be a Christian Jew

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With 4 votes and 9 points ahead, the winner is ...

Sparrow
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Religion
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Round 1
Pro

Since it is possible "by descent" to be Jewish without actually practicing the religion, it is possible to be ethnically Jewish but to practice Christianity.

Con
Racial decent is an illusion.  There is no Jewish race from a genetic point of view and judging them by location is nationalism.  

Furthermore, the people you're referring to are not Jews, but rather Hebrews, which is a very broad and ill defined term.  

At best, we could say that people from certain tribes at a certain time were Hebrews.  As for Judaism, The only way to be a Jew is by taking on Judaism either literally or at least culturally, either way, you would then be unable to be Christian.  
Round 2
Pro
Racial decent is an illusion. 
We're off to a bad start.

There is no Jewish race from a genetic point of view
That's not what everyone else in the universe seems to think. The definition of "Jew" proves this.

The only way to be a Jew is by taking on Judaism either literally or at least culturally, either way, you would then be unable to be Christian.  
Christianity is like an extension of Judaism if you think about it. It's not that far fetched that you could have an ethnically Jewish person who believes Jesus actually was the messiah but still identifies heavily with Jewish culture and heritage.
Con
Ahh, definition games.  That will not meet your burden the topic is "to be" which means that definition is not enough.  

Identifying as something is not the same as being something.  

Definitions are ad populum and the populace does not agree with your assessment of the terms. 

Christianity is not an extension, it's a denomination.  While they share a beliefs, one is not another.  Jews don't believe that Christ is god and that differs heavily from Christianity.  
Round 3
Pro
But if being an ethnic Jew isn't actually about race, then literally all it is is an identify. Therefore if what you say is true, literally all that's required is for someone to be both a christian and a Jew is to identify as both.
Con
My point is that personal identities are not being.  I could identify as a hunk of cheese or a dog or a cat or a boat or a chair, etc, etc.  


That doesn't actually cause me "to be" any of those things.  

The state of being is directly cause by a thing's ontology.  


So I'm a chair because I meet an objective standard (I am a thing that can objectively be sat upon by humans and I meet certain special requirements that are generally found in chairs)   No matter how much I call myself a chair, I cannot meet this objective standards. 



It's the same for being Jewish or Christian.  


There is no objective standard for being an ethnic or cultural Jew.  Races are arbitrary.  There is no "jewish gene" that can objectively make someone jewish.  To be jewish.