I'm Pro Gun: Change my Mind
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I will waive first round, pro will waive the last. Failure of this is loss of argument and conduct points.
I believe in self-defense, concealed-carry, and am pro gun.
Among the topics will be the effectiveness of gun bans, concealed-carry effects, and the ethics of taking away guns from people.
I am for background checks and mental illness screening, so that will most likely not be a topic.
Good luck to my opponent.
I'll begin by saying that I have no issue with guns being used in society.
We should never contend that guns "save lives". This is actually a dangerous mentality, as in real life, people save people, and their ability to do so rests in their preparedness, not the tool. If one isn't prepared in understanding and practice to use a gun for damage control, then they should not be expected to "save lives" with a gun. A gun will NOT protect you, and it will not keep you from losing the fight, and it will not ensure that you are clear headed enough to act appropriately under duress.
non-lethal measures provide the greatest protection.
It does not seem that he is entirely opposed to banning guns with this statement, and I am not really sure what he is saying. He has not provided a clear stance on his gun position. I would ask my opponent to make it clear what he wants to do and back it up with evidence, not vague, blurry paragraphs of abstract ideas.
For now, I will continue to address problems apparently brought about in Pro-Gun.It largely rests in the tool. Sure you can be prepared with your karate chops when a criminal busts into your house with a semi-automatic gun, but that won't do much. A gun is a deterrent to crime, even so if you brandish it. It also provides self-defense if you fire it towards the criminal in the most extreme cases. Most people who own a gun, especially concealed carry holders, know how to use a gun very well and regularly practice. Concealed-carry holders commit felonies and misdemeanors 84% LESS than POLICE OFFICERS! That is how law-abiding they are. A gun will protect you, I don't know what the basis is for this. Guns are used defensively 2.5M times a year, so they do save many lives. On average, around 12,000 gun-related homicides occur every year, depending on the source. As stated by a Kleck-Gertz study, 15.7% of people who were involved in a DGU (Defensive Gun Use) said they almost certainly saved theirs or someone else’s life. In addition to that, another 14.6% said they probably saved a life. Since I want to be conservative with my numbers, let’s say that everyone who said they probably saved a life are wrong. According to an unpublished CDC study, there are 2.5 million DGUs per year. Since they surveyed 222 participants, the margin of error with a 95% confidence level calculated to be plus or minus 4.8%. This signifies that at bare minimum 270,000 lives are saved by guns, up to over 500,000 just counting the “almost certainly people.” If all the “probably” people are right, then that number goes beyond 800,000. Moreover, for every firearm homicide, at least 20-70 lives are saved by guns. If all gun deaths are counted, then 8-23 lives are saved per death.
non-lethal measures provide the greatest protection.Pepper spray and tasers don't deter criminals. Why? They are non-lethal. Shocking. Especially when the criminals are at a distance, their guns against you will kill you, and they won't be deterred from your tasers that extend a foot or your 2 ounce bottle of pepper spray.Those are basically the only real arguments I could find. Please provide solutions and real evidence with your claims next round.
To clarify, I am at this time, to the left of a gun.
Again, we should never contend that a gun saves lives. A gun will NOT save you, and there is no honest way around this. To say otherwise would be an empty message that is liable to get someone hurt or killed.
Brandishing a firearm is morally, and legally questionable at best.
If anything, one should be thinking how they might avoid using their firearm for two very good reasons, the first that they value human life and have a general mentality for reason in favor of violence, and secondly that by the time you have to use a firearm for self-defense, all else has failed.
The purported fact that guns are used defensively 2.5 million times a year in the United States of America is an abhorrent figure that could not possibly be taken as supportive of the Pro-Gun position.
Apparently to the Pro-Gunman, the more failings we have represented which result in guns being used, the more “lives are saved”.
I should add that it is being implied to simply “use a gun” in the event that a criminal is using a gun against you. This is NOT good advice. Drawing on a drawn gun is liable to get you killed. A window may present itself for you to fight and/or flee if a perp is somehow distracted or you might just be out of luck and have to try to calmly cooperate to the extent required of you.
- Snoopy, Opening Statement
Brandishing would be drawing a firearm, not to protect yourself, but to persuade and threaten, as the robber was. This was no threat. He had his weapon out because he was prepared to use it, and the situation was resolved to his acceptance to the point at the end of the video at least.
I would be inclined to agree that gun bans are generally ineffective
Our argument should be as I stated, not Pro-Gun, partially because it is antithetical to the real argument, which is the relationship between the people and their government.“Now, of primary concern is my hope that it can be established that if anything there is a moral imperative in the context of government, not to discourage the proficient use of arms, but rather to ensure such potential for the purpose of lawful defense in any decent society.”- Snoopy, Opening Statement
Lastly, it is being assumed that people “know their own risk”, and that I am only speaking to “rare instances” but hopefully all instances warranting a defensive gun use are rare, and if we knew it, we wouldn’t be calling it risk.