Instigator / Con
14
1616
rating
32
debates
62.5%
won
Topic
#962

Take the Knee

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
6
0
Better sources
4
2
Better legibility
2
2
Better conduct
2
1

After 2 votes and with 9 points ahead, the winner is...

Dr.Franklin
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
4
Time for argument
Two days
Max argument characters
30,000
Voting period
One week
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Pro
5
1350
rating
29
debates
20.69%
won
Description

Hello mairji23, I would like to debate you on the topic of take the knee. This was a protest where NFL players took a knee during the national anthem. I will be taking Con.

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@mairj23

I have problem with he way their disrespecting the flag

Good luck to con.

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@Dr.Franklin

As expected, but you're the same guy who's got a problem with someone kneeling.

I rest my case.

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@dustryder

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Vote Reported: dustryder // Mod Action: Removed

Points awarded: 1 point to pro for conduct

RFD: Thanks for both opponents for the debate
POOR CONDUCT:
Throughout the entire debate Pro was insulted by Con several times, this includes...
"I think your racist because you said:"All problems in the world is because of the white male""
And also,
"If you think Black people are not mentally ill, then you are racism you think a race is inertially different and worse than one race. Which is textbook racism, just admit you don't like white people. Just admit you are racist. Its not that hard."
And my PERSONAL favorite...
"my opponent ignores arguments and denies statistics."
Additionally Con has maintained an obnoxious, petulant and condescending attitude throughout the entire debate, this includes...
Refering to Colin Kaepernick as Kolin CRAPernick
And also,
"Protesting this on 9/11 WOW GOOD MOVE IDIOTS-"
And my PERSONAL favourite...
"Did you really just say that. Wow,just WOW. "
On the hand, in the face of Con's insults and attitudes which were downright disrespectful and condescending, Pro maintained a calm and logical demeanor.
All other points are tied as neither were particularly convincing and both of their sources and spelling were relatively good

Reason for mod action: Unless a debater forfeited more than half the rounds, one still needs to explain a tied argument point.

The voter should review the COC here: https://www.debateart.com/rules
The voter should also review this: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/346?page=1&post_number=4

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@Pinkfreud08

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Vote Reported: Pinkfreud08 // Mod Action: Removed

Points awarded: 1 point to con for conduct

RFD: I would like to thank both opponents for this debate
POOR CONDUCT:
Throughout the entire debate Pro insulted Con several times, this includes...
" Yet again, let me address the nonsense that my antagonist is spewing."
And also,
" Yeah, that kind of obliterates the nonsense you're spewing."
And my PERSONAL favorite...
" I'm going to try to cover as much of this psycho-babble as I can. If you have to write a full-novel to get your point across, then it shows just how uninformed you truly are. "
Pro's insults were obnoxious and downright disrespectful to Pro who maintained a logical attitude.
All other points tied, neither convinced me and both had relatively good sources and spelling

Reason for mod action: Unless a debater forfeited more than half the rounds, one still needs to explain a tied argument point.

The voter should review the COC here: https://www.debateart.com/rules
The voter should also review this: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/346?page=1&post_number=4

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@mairj23

No, Im not going into the military

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@Dr.Franklin

Hey man, have you went to your local recruitment office to enlist for service? It's been a few days and I never received the email as proof.

You also didn't explain yourself for (Not) supporting the Somali cop in the Minnesota case. Where's that patriotism for Blue Lives Matter?

Back the Badge?...………………….

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@dustryder

Meh, thats fair.

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@Dr.Franklin

Absolutely. However that is not what he said. And apart from this, personal attacks just do not belong in a debate regardless

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@dustryder

I think its fair to call someone racist when they say

"Murder, theft, ponzi schemes, larceny, sexual abuse, pedophilia, hate crimes, perjury etc...equals the white male."

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@dustryder

" Pro maintained a calm and logical demeanor."

lol

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@mairj23

"Fake Police Reports: White"

JUSSIE SMOLLETT

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@mairj23

Sorry,I have real work to do.

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@DarthVader1

Step your game up, then come back and holler at me.

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@mairj23

Do I?

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@DarthVader1

And yet you continue to miss the entire point.

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@mairj23

Ah....so acting on behalf of the law is hate crime now?

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@DarthVader1

Stop the madness. When someone starts quoting gov. stats, they've pretty much run out of options. https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/unarmed/

Are you even aware that the FBI doesn't really report hate crimes? Wouldn't a white cop who kills an unarmed black person be considered a hate crime? Aren't police officers and FBI personnel considered to be law enforcement? Do you see the connection?

https://www.walb.com/2019/03/25/undercounting-hate-fbi-will-not-report-its-hate-crime-numbers-again-this-year-required-by-law/

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@mairj23

That's actually wrong. BUDDY. Because the FBI released a report with the help of 48 state police departments that blacks commit most of the crimes,not whites,with 52% of the murder committed by blacks.

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@DarthVader1

The key word here is "Unarmed."...You're so hellbent on trying to prove me wrong that you're arguing over a general topic rather than a specific topic.
Stay focused buddy, stay focused.

Of course, if we're arguing total amounts of police shootings, then I'm pretty sure that your stats are correct because white people commit the most crimes, which goes back to another debate that I'm having.

Thank you again for proving my point.

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@mairj23

A total of 1,388 people were killed by police in 2015, 318 (23%) of them black, and 560 (40%) of them white. So roughly 23 percent of those killed by any police interaction in 2015 were black and just over 40 percent were white.

Source: Burghart.