Pennsylvania has 90,000 more votes than voters for the 2020 election, audit finds

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 Trump has demonstrated over and over again, clearer than any politician of our generation and probably in our country's history how unfit he is to be president.
Which would also mean he would be too morally unfit to not take advantage of the existing loopholes.

You wanted a reason why anyone should care? There it is.

Also: this is the evidence you wanted about the FBI?
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But just to add insult to injury, the page from Verity Vote themselves on the study states:

"This includes ballots with votes for one of the three major presidential candidates, all write-in votes, all over-votes, all under-votes (as reported by the 67 counties), and the 71K late mail ballots. After all counties closed the election in SURE, only 6,914,556 voters were credited with participation in the 2020 General Election. This reveals a voter deficit of 121,240."
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So they included all write-in ballots anyways.
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Interesting development yesterday:
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Yeah I heard.
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I hope Biden steals 2024 too!

Cry MAGA, cry. All you do is cry.
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At this point, more people are seriously pissed at Biden. I also hope he cheats again  so the people can exercise their 2nd Amendment right.
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They're not missing voters, they're ballots that were cast without voting for one of the three major candidates.
On the 2020 election, only 3 candidates were on the ballot. Trump, Biden, amd Jorgensen:


So you are factually wrong on that.
You clearly didn't understand anything I pointed out.

Yes, there were only 3 main presidential candidates whose names appeared on the ballot, that's why they're the only 3 who have official vote tallies displayed. What's not displayed are the potentially thousands of candidates whose names were written in or ballots who left the presidential ticket blank.

There's plenty of true, alarming stuff the media doesn't report on
The argument was not 'if the media doesn't report on it it didn't happen'.

The argument was 'in a situation where there is much national controversy (like election conspiracy theories), and where something so easily verifiable is so blatantly off, people will want to know what's going on, which will generate interest, which will entice journalists to look into it. And if they find something noteworthy, then the media would report on it.

But just to add insult to injury, the page from Verity Vote themselves on the study states:

"This includes ballots with votes for one of the three major presidential candidates, all write-in votes, all over-votes, all under-votes (as reported by the 67 counties), and the 71K late mail ballots. After all counties closed the election in SURE, only 6,914,556 voters were credited with participation in the 2020 General Election. This reveals a voter deficit of 121,240."
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So they included all write-in ballots anyways.
This is why I posted the actual numbers and gave you the links. The number they provided does not in fact account for write in ballots and undervotes. How do we know this? Because we can add them up ourselves. It's public information. I would tell you to Google it but I already put the information on your lap.

I did try to look into how exactly they came to their numbers but couldn't because they don't provide them. There is a link on their page to download their report but when you click it it just asks for your email address. No thanks, you don't need my email address to show me your work. If this were a serious report put out by people who genuinely cared about securing our elections for the good of the public they wouldn't make people jump through hoops to see what they've uncovered.
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Which would also mean he would be too morally unfit to not take advantage of the existing loopholes.

You wanted a reason why anyone should care? There it is.
I ignored the loopholes comment because it had nothing to do with our conversation and you never even explained what loopholes you were talking about. Please elaborate, what ballots would citizen or even a third term seeking president Trump be counting?


No, I asked for evidence that Google was operating out of fear of government retribution for not doing their biding as you insinuated.

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so the people can exercise their 2nd Amendment right.
You mean the average overweight MAGA? 

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Bug gut, big gun.
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You would enjoy it, wouldnt you? You want it to happen!
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The PA government data actually does show a discrepancy.

  • False.  The discrepency is between the official paper ballot count of the votes by the people of the State of Pennsylvania and a Republican number called the SURE SYSTEM number.  Here is the act that created the SURE SYSTEM number back in 2002.  The SURE SYSTEM number system is intended to provide a check on voting fairness by estimating how many voters will vote which way based on their voting history.  The SURE SYSTEM number has always been terribly inaccurate because Democrats don't participate.  The most populous counties in the state have always refused to contribute to the SURE SYSTEM number so even if that number wasn't just some subjectively derived Republican number it would have no hope of reflecting the Democratic half of Pennsylvania.  EVerybody except you understands that the SURE SYSTEM number is not an actual count of anything but a Republican estimate of voters based on the voting history of voters in Republican controlled counties.  No academic or honest person would expect the SURE SYSTEM number to match the real number.
Nobody can explain the discrepancy. Nobody even offers an explanation. But we should ignore it because mainstream networks aren't reporting it?

  • False.  Everybody understands why these number are totally different except for you.
I am simply reporting the fact that the ballots are higher by 90,000 than the actual voters. This is a fact.

  • A dumb, gullible lie by any measure.
  • Do your credibility a favor and stop referring to Verity Vote as "they."  Verity Vote is just the blog of a Trump Fan named Heather Honey.  There no academic, scientific, political credentials, just a fan and her irratonal opinon.

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Oh no, you destroyed MAGA delusions ☹

Oh well, it was fun while it lasted. Now we can celebrate that MAGA delusions have been temporarily defeated. Delusions do come back after some time tho. But MAGA sad right now because they went away.
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Wanna know what's not a delusion? Trump leads Biden in most 2024 battleground states. www.270towin.com/2024-presidential-election-polls/
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Do you have a source proving "democrats don't participate"? Because the actual fucking commonwealth of PA disagrees with you. In a June 30, 2023 annual report to the Pennsylvania General Assembly, the PA Department of State said:

"Through the SURE system, the county voter registration commissions maintain a complete list of all eligible registered voters in the Commonwealth. As of December 2022, there were 8,700,826 registered voters. The charts in this section represent a high-level snapshot of the change in voter registration over both the previous calendar year and the four-year period since the end of 2018. Details broken down by county and party can be found in Appendices A and B."

Basically, EVERYONE BUT YOU understands how SURE works.

And EVERYONE BUT YOU says it is accurate and represents ALL VOTERS in the commonwealth.

You say:

Verity Vote is just the blog of a Trump Fan named Heather Honey
Their about page says:

In 2020 a group of capable investigators who’ve provided investigation and intelligence training to large corporations and government agencies, performed supply chain audits, along with published scientists and engineers, volunteered to analyze issues of election integrity.
To your credit, though, an inquirer article claims, without evidence, that Honey started Verity Vote. Same with a Conservative Partnership Institute article.

But, you know what NOBODY BUT YOU says? That it is just a blog. Because that would be a dumb, gullible lie by any measure.

But what is evem funnier is that I don't agree with the Verity Vote audit because, well, it is outdated. PA has since added another 30,000 voters, so the discrepancy is now 90,000 not 121,000. It seems you've forgotten how to read lately.

In the 2020 election, there were 90,000 more ballots than eligible voters in PA according to the SURE system. This is a fact. 
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This is why  I waited for you to explain the SURE system before jumping to my own conclusion.
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In the 2020 election, there were 90,000 more ballots than eligible voters in PA according to the SURE system. This is a fact. 
About 7 million people voted in PA, meanwhile over 9 million people were registered. What on earth are you talking about?
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That post seems to imply you don't really understand the difference between the SURE system and registered voters.
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SURE 🤗
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Heather Honey
Sounds like another one of Trumps porn star mistresses 

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In the 2020 election, there were 90,000 more ballots than eligible voters in PA according to the SURE system. This is a fact. 
That is a lie for dummies

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That post seems to imply you don't really understand the difference between the SURE system and registered voters.
The SURE system itself is irrelevant to accuracy of the claim being made.

We know how many people were eligible/registered to vote in PA (9 million).

We know how many ballots were cast in PA (7 million).

9 million > 7 million. Therefore the claim that there were more ballots cast than eligible voters is ludicrously false, hence why I asked for him to clarify his statement. If you understand it feel free to enlighten me.



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Sounds like another one of Trumps porn star mistresses
RIGHT!?

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The SURE system itself is irrelevant to accuracy of the claim being made.
Wrong.
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I would tell you to Google it but I already put the information on your lap.
I think I missed the link... And if you didn't open up the report yourself, how do you know if they didn't include write-ins?
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Therefore the claim that there were more ballots cast than eligible voters is ludicrously false
Who claimed this? I didn't and neither did my source. The claim is, as it has been from the beginning, that more votes were recorded than people who voted in the 2020 election. Not that there were more votes than registered voters in general.
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This fully explains it:

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This fully explains it
Except that is a totally different claim from the GOP in PA, not Verity Vote's audit in question here.

Snopes says this here:
The apparent source of the misinformation amplified by Trump was a news release issued by Pennsylvania State Rep. Frank Ryan on Dec. 28, maintaining that a comparison of "county election results to the total number of voters who voted" in Pennsylvania revealed a discrepancy of over 203,000 ballots:
But, even so, the Pennsylvania DoS stated not that the SURE system is inaccurate, but that the data was incomplete:
However, the Pennsylvania Department of State (DoS) issued a statement noting that the numbers obtained from the Statewide Uniform Registry of Electors (SURE) system by Ryan were not accurate because they were based on incomplete data. As the DoS observed, "a few counties have not completed uploading their vote histories," and that those as-yet-unreported numbers "would account for a significant number of voters":
The key thing to note, here, is that the Verity Vote audit took place AFTER this letter was passed around. And the American Thinker article adds additional voterd since then, 30,000, that were previously unaccounted for following the audit.

But no new voters have been added since the article, leaving ONCE AGAIN FOR PEOPLE WHO READ, 90,000 MORE BALLOTS THAN VOTERS.

So the Snopes fact check isn't updated for the latest numbers anyways. As it currently stands, the SURE system is still 90,000 voters short of the ballot count. To me, that warrants an audit. Where are the voters? Why haven't 90,000 voters been added after 3 YEARS SINCE THE ELECTION??? You'd think we'd have found them by now, right? 3 years is ample time. 

But I'd like to point something else out... Snopes says 6.96 million people voted. They cite a webpage that does not say this. I will prove it.

The website linked is here:

The numbers were: 4,216,030 in-person ballots + 2,637,065 mail-in ballots +126,573 provisional ballots, which totals... 6,979,668 votes.

But the official number from the PA website is 76.5% of 9,090,962 ehich equals: 6,954,586 voters, or a deficit, FROM PA'S OWN FUCKING STATS of 

A DEFICIT OF 25,082 VOTERS.

Not 90,000 but still enough to warrant an audit.